From robbert van hulzen Sent Thu, Mar 1st 2007, 00:33
From robbert van hulzen Sent Thu, Mar 1st 2007, 00:33
can i hitch a ride on this thread? i'll be in berlin from around 8 till 20 march, and i'd be interested in finding out the same. (i unfortunately most likely won't make it to stick around for the linux audio conference.) thanks, robbert "Balazs Gerofi" <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>wrote: > ... interesting, microsound related event, concert, exhibition, > installation ... in Berlin. Clubs worth visiting are also > welcomed :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 28 21:04:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41576-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66460 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:07:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 66415 invoked from network); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:07:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:03:23 -0800 From: craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] 99 cent culture In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx How fortunate they still do it post-microsound! On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Brian Klein wrote: > Yes, actual real-time music. The relics of the race indicate that, > before > microsound, people actually did that. They did it together. Yes, > made > music. And they danced. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 28 19:50:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41575-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22102 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:54:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 22092 invoked from network); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:54:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:50:09 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] 99 cent culture In-reply-to: <004b01c75acf$4df9dfe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pbaroN7tLzqNY7xV/A8NDw)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lBn8Vu0zvHezJymEZ3Pt9rsZSLq9HEivysEy+Xj+FxSR6H5etSE8unqCIp71OLfh4HlQUTky+bSgwWd3MGDW0W6s1UMpub92dUNxwretgqMt8NTR90jjsn56jhk+i8sMQ2z9G8hoPpxuBKH2Q+RcGqjFtvAoE9dUDrzZkI6O31Q=; X-YMail-OSG: Yz8jNd8VM1mixGeseODllQlGMt6UpjyU3yfeVVATjPCKRlXPsyOutlK1rw1LAHJJownH4.ZKckWAp2Yk2tC85_aNrma7zP5om1ttpXPo205AKUSFrjC44N6hXVJEkgD_cOOd6f6yHLaqtK8MangHqP6A X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_pbaroN7tLzqNY7xV/A8NDw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good suggestion. Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: Lovely question. You are correct, of course, that simply snapping skewers or crumpling roasting pans doesn't really do it. I would wager that the .99 doesn't sound so different from Williams-Sonoma. My loved, and hated, micrsound, recently attempted to consider "post-oil" scenarios. This farce came to an end. Justifiably. You ask a different question. Unplug your computer. Go to a .99 store. Spend whatever your budget is, and leave with an array of objects. Then, make an orchestra that plays those instruments. Make that music. With people. Not with a laptop. Yes, actual real-time music. The relics of the race indicate that, before microsound, people actually did that. They did it together. Yes, made music. And they danced. I wiah you well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fastus" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: [microsound] 99 cent culture > I'm preparing a sound installation proposal for a local contemporary > arts center concerning the phenomenon of the 99 cent store. I guess a > typical approach would be to round up a number of 99c items, sample them > being struck, hit, crushed etc and then reconstituting those sounds into > a composition. > > But I'm hoping that doing a little thinking out loud might elicit some > comments and ideas that might help forge a more interesting or informed > approach- and that this subject might be of interest to the list as a > sequel to a topic discussed earlier:. about how can music, particularly > instrumental music without narrative lyrics etc, can express political > ideas. > > First personal response about the topic: the idea of the 99c store > evokes the culture of "cheap", the sense of getting a bargain and > beating the system while denying the possible cost in human exploitation > (almost all of the non-food items come from China.) Childhood memories: > the fun of dropping into the local Woolworth and being able to buy > something, even with your measly allowance. It's now the gloomy Zinn > read, Amy Goodman fed, politically aware adult that now sees the menace > of Walmart (the race to the bottom), a giant trade deficit, the relative > decline of an American manufacturing giant made rich by two world wars. > Hmmmm, is this about politics or about age/aging? > > What does 99c mean - cost of a song on iTunes, a DVDs of movies now in > the common domain, a slice of pizza for a hungry and broke student - > it's almost free. Capitalist context - cheap is demeaning, sign of low > value -discontinued items no longer of interest etc. Socialist/communist > context inexpensive is almost free - good things: free health care, > libraries, education, music - low cost = maximum accessibility, public > good etc. . > > What about the inherent distortion of the project - using 99c items, > processed by thousands of dollars of software and hardware.? > > Any thoughts....? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. 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Wed Feb 28 14:47:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41574-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49601 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:51:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 49591 invoked from network); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:51:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:47:17 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] 99 cent culture In-reply-to: <004b01c75acf$4df9dfe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UBJMMyoZnceZzBAFd/CD324bSFr2nj9Mo9tRa3GWGs0XOxxJfbT4n85BK89yEZ6Y6GJiunPmmJkrWwHuv83VfVhZa7Mf9AjpMKGwz+AcOK80x4ax2YyWs1rLP09/krBUXfImvTYvXFQV5BPMRFEJU2IWjWzDrdjYEBCcWFTMVus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rZxXwZup1MeW7z+/ZZUV+xZScqMJB6ppxjqNnqg2jzLmwVe+pXNEyqLGJejMWzoivTeWzeFtCOh+m7yUKo0Y/tyMYhvZEPzuyvC/z1BL7eD9Kt+Ikr23Gkr4Ik8stBbiv0XHQFtZZJfZVuiwT7jmVkLuCkXRehv67sL/4Fpwjxg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <004b01c75acf$4df9dfe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx What a lovely idea! ~Kyle On 2/27/07, Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Lovely question. > > You are correct, of course, that simply snapping skewers or crumpling > roasting pans doesn't really do it. > > I would wager that the .99 doesn't sound so different from Williams-Sonoma. > > My loved, and hated, micrsound, recently attempted to consider "post-oil" > scenarios. This farce came to an end. Justifiably. > > You ask a different question. > > Unplug your computer. Go to a .99 store. Spend whatever your budget is, > and leave with an array of objects. Then, make an orchestra that plays > those instruments. > > Make that music. With people. Not with a laptop. > > Yes, actual real-time music. The relics of the race indicate that, before > microsound, people actually did that. They did it together. Yes, made > music. And they danced. > > I wiah you well. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fastus" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:29 PM > Subject: [microsound] 99 cent culture > > > > I'm preparing a sound installation proposal for a local contemporary > > arts center concerning the phenomenon of the 99 cent store. I guess a > > typical approach would be to round up a number of 99c items, sample them > > being struck, hit, crushed etc and then reconstituting those sounds into > > a composition. > > > > But I'm hoping that doing a little thinking out loud might elicit some > > comments and ideas that might help forge a more interesting or informed > > approach- and that this subject might be of interest to the list as a > > sequel to a topic discussed earlier:. about how can music, particularly > > instrumental music without narrative lyrics etc, can express political > > ideas. > > > > First personal response about the topic: the idea of the 99c store > > evokes the culture of "cheap", the sense of getting a bargain and > > beating the system while denying the possible cost in human exploitation > > (almost all of the non-food items come from China.) Childhood memories: > > the fun of dropping into the local Woolworth and being able to buy > > something, even with your measly allowance. It's now the gloomy Zinn > > read, Amy Goodman fed, politically aware adult that now sees the menace > > of Walmart (the race to the bottom), a giant trade deficit, the relative > > decline of an American manufacturing giant made rich by two world wars. > > Hmmmm, is this about politics or about age/aging? > > > > What does 99c mean - cost of a song on iTunes, a DVDs of movies now in > > the common domain, a slice of pizza for a hungry and broke student - > > it's almost free. Capitalist context - cheap is demeaning, sign of low > > value -discontinued items no longer of interest etc. Socialist/communist > > context inexpensive is almost free - good things: free health care, > > libraries, education, music - low cost = maximum accessibility, public > > good etc. . > > > > What about the inherent distortion of the project - using 99c items, > > processed by thousands of dollars of software and hardware.? > > > > Any thoughts....? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 28 07:38:17 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41573-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83999 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:42:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 83981 invoked from network); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:42:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:38:04 -0800 (PST) From: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [microsound] 99 cent culture In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xx.xxx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xx.xxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Score: 0.648 (NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It's hard to add to your ideas, your 99% there. Just round up. > I'm preparing a sound installation proposal for a local contemporary > arts center concerning the phenomenon of the 99 cent store. I guess a > typical approach would be to round up a number of 99c items, sample them > being struck, hit, crushed etc and then reconstituting those sounds into > a composition. > > But I'm hoping that doing a little thinking out loud might elicit some > comments and ideas that might help forge a more interesting or informed > approach- and that this subject might be of interest to the list as a > sequel to a topic discussed earlier:. about how can music, particularly > instrumental music without narrative lyrics etc, can express political > ideas. > > First personal response about the topic: the idea of the 99c store > evokes the culture of "cheap", the sense of getting a bargain and > beating the system while denying the possible cost in human exploitation > (almost all of the non-food items come from China.) Childhood memories: > the fun of dropping into the local Woolworth and being able to buy > something, even with your measly allowance. It's now the gloomy Zinn > read, Amy Goodman fed, politically aware adult that now sees the menace > of Walmart (the race to the bottom), a giant trade deficit, the relative > decline of an American manufacturing giant made rich by two world wars. > Hmmmm, is this about politics or about age/aging? > > What does 99c mean - cost of a song on iTunes, a DVDs of movies now in > the common domain, a slice of pizza for a hungry and broke student - > it's almost free. Capitalist context - cheap is demeaning, sign of low > value -discontinued items no longer of interest etc. Socialist/communist > context inexpensive is almost free - good things: free health care, > libraries, education, music - low cost = maximum accessibility, public > good etc. . > > What about the inherent distortion of the project - using 99c items, > processed by thousands of dollars of software and hardware.? > > Any thoughts....? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 28 01:06:05 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41572-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10990 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:09:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 10976 invoked from network); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:09:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:05:43 -0600 From: Paul Feyertag <xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] 99 cent culture In-reply-to: <004b01c75acf$4df9dfe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_zsSIWtGsCxpXgpDUowcNEQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IrgW8q8a+vwd713GI0Kyu6rXvQ1GC1ZcD+j+Gv4brW4kpctosMFTRe5/Of5SsvNyHQnGVlWydbKI/T6FhRSjxKTKGKo87U9k5RgNqpN+VKpDC8okdN4ZHLkvgzKliFnHvo+zUWK1El57EU2Vmf6sy0RfPkjK48ndKzAmpPDGwOI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ILV1ZeiaytMN12zFxJqYhjQPCzJ6nE4k5dAmWTmjUoH16vYWZXcvfQopewisOJgj7jdKvYJlult0X04sPfyctqutpVcBSo+DVlfpKOHwj2iaimqdj2vlcyExlnlCPzX71smk4e5FK8SXyWA6h+IZsHQzgBHfu9fI0biI24cpqs0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <004b01c75acf$4df9dfe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_zsSIWtGsCxpXgpDUowcNEQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really enjoy Charles' idea of obscurity! Going a bit further (in a mildly unrelated direction), perhaps a good way to go would be to produce something which includes your own personal idea of what the dollar store is, but also the views of the viewer? More specifically, perhaps start by creating a particular musical idea, that by itself, embodies the $0.99 store to yourself, but then build in an element of interactivity that allows for the audience's perception? I mean, depending on how crowded the gallery is, perhaps you could have a series of archetypal dollar items available for the audience to pick up and play with, and certain sequences of item manipulation (as sets) would result in different transformations upon what is going on, thus, in a somewhat artificial way, represent the perception of whatever part of the dollar store you decide to include. Hmm... An approach like this, assuming the sequences of manipulation were complex enough, would also sort of embody both the idea of a dollar store as a smoke screen, as well as the socially-informed "What the hell am I doing?" ("How is what I'm doing changing this music? It is, but, I have no idea how.") hee hee... I'd bet this could be done with a tape deck, a more ingenious mind than mine, and a soldering iron! Good Luck, Paul --Boundary_(ID_zsSIWtGsCxpXgpDUowcNEQ)-- From ???@??? Wed Feb 28 00:26:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41571-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89332 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:30:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 89311 invoked from network); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:30:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:28:00 -0500 From: Randal Davis <xxxxxx_xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] 99 cent culture X-Originating-IP: 4.231.241.72 To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <004b01c75acf$4df9dfe0$xxxxxxxx@xxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bIMMn3clQ1NcWPWxtS1p83hjrCnHNJUi+BAq1yz4243uwdyxHxp2PyfB9tgiBqr9; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; X-ELNK-Trace: 3915247040b89f9489a8960d193327004d2b10475b5711206bfe60c2bffdcbac18a6ea47f04640efe3dc63163ab1e6cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Lovely question. You are correct, of course, that simply snapping skewers or crumpling roasting pans doesn't really do it. I would wager that the .99 doesn't sound so different from Williams-Sonoma. My loved, and hated, micrsound, recently attempted to consider "post-oil" scenarios. This farce came to an end. Justifiably. You ask a different question. Unplug your computer. Go to a .99 store. Spend whatever your budget is, and leave with an array of objects. Then, make an orchestra that plays those instruments. Make that music. With people. Not with a laptop. Yes, actual real-time music. The relics of the race indicate that, before microsound, people actually did that. They did it together. Yes, made music. And they danced. I wiah you well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fastus" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: [microsound] 99 cent culture > I'm preparing a sound installation proposal for a local contemporary > arts center concerning the phenomenon of the 99 cent store. I guess a > typical approach would be to round up a number of 99c items, sample them > being struck, hit, crushed etc and then reconstituting those sounds into > a composition. > > But I'm hoping that doing a little thinking out loud might elicit some > comments and ideas that might help forge a more interesting or informed > approach- and that this subject might be of interest to the list as a > sequel to a topic discussed earlier:. about how can music, particularly > instrumental music without narrative lyrics etc, can express political > ideas. > > First personal response about the topic: the idea of the 99c store > evokes the culture of "cheap", the sense of getting a bargain and > beating the system while denying the possible cost in human exploitation > (almost all of the non-food items come from China.) Childhood memories: > the fun of dropping into the local Woolworth and being able to buy > something, even with your measly allowance. It's now the gloomy Zinn > read, Amy Goodman fed, politically aware adult that now sees the menace > of Walmart (the race to the bottom), a giant trade deficit, the relative > decline of an American manufacturing giant made rich by two world wars. > Hmmmm, is this about politics or about age/aging? > > What does 99c mean - cost of a song on iTunes, a DVDs of movies now in > the common domain, a slice of pizza for a hungry and broke student - > it's almost free. Capitalist context - cheap is demeaning, sign of low > value -discontinued items no longer of interest etc. Socialist/communist > context inexpensive is almost free - good things: free health care, > libraries, education, music - low cost = maximum accessibility, public > good etc. . > > What about the inherent distortion of the project - using 99c items, > processed by thousands of dollars of software and hardware.? > > Any thoughts....? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 27 23:43:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41570-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66108 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:46:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 66096 invoked from network); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:46:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] 99 cent culture In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sOVCrYDjfJQghXmwQVU7UNgmMiVOEzLYktwVTNj0C+TeF/aJVdkdnIn5FbvwMqb5mi4dzVqPmaxgCv9UcDeduJBPttrT0B5ce/yZqJZVGnVVkGj5s+36fHvwwIHDiRgRs7L7y8ssHQeUyjqnH+19ItZRLIaYBXNTYmWvLatGB6g=; X-YMail-OSG: uvHnF.MVM1nF.knFDKEnzho1mmvVln0DeHhJ9AqN_0UhBXa137tgFMTWiwVavRaQcBsJadnnLJSt2FTzg19Xe9N3bgHwzM.I7VgkFzL1c.3vjQuRsIGC36yWfHpPohrRHylCF1f.4sHOMnsjLjuQz6B. X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx something to include: circuit bent $1 toys --- Fastus <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I'm preparing a sound installation proposal for a > local contemporary > arts center concerning the phenomenon of the 99 cent > store. I guess a > typical approach would be to round up a number of > 99c items, sample them > being struck, hit, crushed etc and then > reconstituting those sounds into > a composition. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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Tue Feb 27 19:52:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41569-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15687 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:56:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 15676 invoked from network); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:56:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:52:40 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] 99 cent culture In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-150DADF4C69C11DBB851000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.101]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Fastus wrote on 2/27/07 at 1:29 PM >First personal response about the topic: the idea of the 99c store >evokes the culture of "cheap", the sense of getting a bargain and >beating the system while denying the possible cost in human exploitation Well the Wall Street Journal wouldn't be a bad place to look for a rich treatment of this topic: the "Just-a-Buck" stores have a very carefully crafted sales approach that's designed to obscure that they're actually more expensive than other places for most of what they sell. From a completely different perspective, you might want to look at Claes Oldenburg's "Store" from the late-50s. It's documented in a book published by Something Else Press that could be found in a good library. There may have been "happenings" associated with the exhibit that might be documented in Gregory Battcock's book on the subject. Good luck! Charles <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 27 18:30:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41568-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71443 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:33:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 71427 invoked from network); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:33:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:29:38 -0500 From: Fastus <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] 99 cent culture To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm preparing a sound installation proposal for a local contemporary arts center concerning the phenomenon of the 99 cent store. I guess a typical approach would be to round up a number of 99c items, sample them being struck, hit, crushed etc and then reconstituting those sounds into a composition. But I'm hoping that doing a little thinking out loud might elicit some comments and ideas that might help forge a more interesting or informed approach- and that this subject might be of interest to the list as a sequel to a topic discussed earlier:. about how can music, particularly instrumental music without narrative lyrics etc, can express political ideas. First personal response about the topic: the idea of the 99c store evokes the culture of "cheap", the sense of getting a bargain and beating the system while denying the possible cost in human exploitation (almost all of the non-food items come from China.) Childhood memories: the fun of dropping into the local Woolworth and being able to buy something, even with your measly allowance. It's now the gloomy Zinn read, Amy Goodman fed, politically aware adult that now sees the menace of Walmart (the race to the bottom), a giant trade deficit, the relative decline of an American manufacturing giant made rich by two world wars. Hmmmm, is this about politics or about age/aging? What does 99c mean - cost of a song on iTunes, a DVDs of movies now in the common domain, a slice of pizza for a hungry and broke student - it's almost free. Capitalist context - cheap is demeaning, sign of low value -discontinued items no longer of interest etc. Socialist/communist context inexpensive is almost free - good things: free health care, libraries, education, music - low cost = maximum accessibility, public good etc. . What about the inherent distortion of the project - using 99c items, processed by thousands of dollars of software and hardware.? Any thoughts....? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 27 13:14:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41567-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14529 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 14513 invoked from network); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: jeff gburek <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Berlin this weekend? In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HHmVmvUjN4j+IQ3gsYuCLhyHBxi0qS/MSsjirByzGNuy7gqImVV2Whh62ybQSVFfA1XZWz4uiB+zmHQgQNVRqVyGM9cPtOxEwBQF8c2L0FCiOshjcYW0KNAOj0i2bfUt78Cw0OKJKDXG4n97AJbHd0+bkVu4S82Mk+4PQQOM3iY=; X-YMail-OSG: FYFwXlIVM1mkkt23cD2vqmkAWnrHsjKgwpqC74gg8wY6N1UOUS65hJo_2z.xmPulhAWjjxTlXxoCcIFN5AZFcO3doO7rKz6ooji_CUF8r6cYWoHqm8dB2EH0D.n3w4LLU2gH5_jUTnDn.CE- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx here is a good place to start: http://www.echtzeitmusik.de/index.php?page=calendar&PHPSESSID=072d59a7f081c276a09bd9e20c6f58ea best, jeff gburek --- Balazs Gerofi <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm wondering whether there is somebody on the list > who could suggest > me something interesting, microsound related event, > concert, exhibition, > installation for this weekend in Berlin. Clubs worth > visiting are also > welcomed :) > > Please let me know off-list! > > Thanx in advance, > Balazs > j.ff gbk http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound/ http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html http://www.djalma.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? 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To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_G3D3ds1LWGyqcUfGWWYxpA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fcmwc+3u6aOBiu8z26odXToIwqaJgLSEO3F3tLHjgldej/fDFHkuDTvF1DQouBXVvZx8nEWJsFkP2Ks688+XA5Xbda8vHQ9J4Wodq2dISCvenoR2CEDS09/+qTyV1no1Q8PU4iJrXg5py5gRdpbDbKpkqvnH8+98hGwogikyxZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XEbR3UZsyvBll0KQ3gM616Y8rUHIAeSxE1OZ4y/d7mff1D9F0lGnjgWY3PuedYXN+SQZNNLsgyeN682x/8vHxVx2KVQusTUSnpVGBgTel6SLfw9q8dSXecjwTZeoJy4q5kZwdR12Z0f5eyG0xH2mEUDa+AFErHZHxEyWxvDtUZU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_G3D3ds1LWGyqcUfGWWYxpA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, I'm wondering whether there is somebody on the list who could suggest me something interesting, microsound related event, concert, exhibition, installation for this weekend in Berlin. Clubs worth visiting are also welcomed :) Please let me know off-list! Thanx in advance, Balazs --Boundary_(ID_G3D3ds1LWGyqcUfGWWYxpA)-- From ???@??? Mon Feb 26 21:59:49 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41565-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84261 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:02:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 84146 invoked from network); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:02:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:58:28 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] microsound-announce back up To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LkMeUVs9jY+PYkTMOZ1icVZdOEJgTZCDRX2zRqv777y5UEshKYNXLi+KkJG+DHa6l6G9Z80WqnStA708Qs2VKnYGtbzQHbyv7WQmlWZ+y8vgOsclPjpEZBLilbMcm1knPdb40Dmgy8VeBuFtbzWMtmZdZYDT0ms6cMnaLXA4z80= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Oxu9OsL9VFOBp88s9hf3OzKvjzXxgaxewRTQsA6igHIKILYBAl04vxw3ZILOYUEJj7YgiWvL7HdaLIOMPYFXZm4b0j7RqVTCNSmSIKkhjPKHQt8ZVU1fyDuGzOrtgeFadZTvTYHm+Iv4Nm4ufdYRmZQ5cKMm9hgkCeRJOLG6xE8= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi the server is back. so that means the announce list is too. -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Feb 24 19:08:46 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41564-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42425 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:12:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 42414 invoked from network); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:12:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:08:34 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] microsound-announce down for a bit To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iX6/GQTOrzSFjT3VmMMJR11+9QFNUI6uxHMCru+vWSAbheSAJ5aZ33jrqY2TwG3yZatXHHxcMXYEJ8d8ip+VjSEG6O1gzMQERdnh5Wc8i02QLS6p8OG7Vk9iVGVggSx3ZFaGBO8KFjmHy2vQ6OpU7xZI4aDrSd72ksAV2et/4Io= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RH939/OBM1SxhyPEMmxOpA+r0iIUjyZhzIhoSlD39qbM1f+yEc7h9iYFgtlYbp8tM95MVvZvHRUuWwStfXtQcKGDxrlM/i72vgDfEN3FxPL1PpLgCp5OpKGdJMjLCSaQU6ilr8hoalNJqf6DvyQsORzx4a+DAGX3bHGsNZ9RQLY= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi the server that runs the microsound-announce list is off the network now. i don't administer the box, so i don't know all the details, but i do know it went down hard and may take a few days to come back. sorry! -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Feb 24 17:55:38 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41563-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10593 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:59:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 10577 invoked from network); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:59:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:59:11 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] The sound of math To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200701c205a39d4a23@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZGW5wCnJohY+jvH3P26BpA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ZGW5wCnJohY+jvH3P26BpA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting... http://www.restivo.org/blog/archives/63 "That rudiment pattern that the drummer is playing? Well it's not a rudiment, it's an algorithm, solving the Tower of Hanoi problem. And it's not a drummer, it's this sample code that comes with a copy of Chuck, a fascinating new music programming language/engine in the genre of Supercollider, Pure Data, and CSound." Another potentially useful resource: Music Dictionary Online <http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheorydefs.htm> "The purpose of our Music Dictionary Online is, in the case of non-English words and phrases, to offer translations for and, in the case of English and non-English words and phrases and where appropriate, explanations and comments about general (non-musical) and specialist (i.e. musical, etc.) terms that might be found in musical scores, books, web sites, CD notes and concert programmes. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ (Not much there yet. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe next week.) Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "When the government no longer trusts the people, it should dissolve them and elect a new people." - Bertolt Brecht --Boundary_(ID_ZGW5wCnJohY+jvH3P26BpA)-- From ???@??? Fri Feb 23 21:20:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41562-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3514 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:23:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 3500 invoked from network); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:23:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:20:03 +0000 From: "David @ Audiobulb" <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] 20 things you can hear right now.... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <002301c75790$630975e0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_eY4D7RMEo7cv75t24VdSCg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_eY4D7RMEo7cv75t24VdSCg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit started here > http://www.em411.com/forum/2912/2/78522/name_20_things_you_can_hear_right_now.html#78522 --Boundary_(ID_eY4D7RMEo7cv75t24VdSCg)-- From ???@??? Fri Feb 23 14:36:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41561-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 69748 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:40:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 69735 invoked from network); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:40:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] audio terrorism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QpnlltrGRGe/8MSwzBlyBb2FtW4yOp8kRhmJurQr6GdxVUUBeW3wxIFle+cWdULfipYV9x1AKcJbU6kzZxJwbrvjsBUiPf8qLJKXN4KTme9lksSzeg7khsH7WXJ7Y/+5KObP8FV9axrPSPBOZx5MHWPwU/PkLSpiNGuh7oooYds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YUQo/zRVOLI0O1Hlj+4rzSFrBwM2AoDljScLgQgek92dH6O63hFf2sDTWi+Nm76msHkIMoPDoc4VQh5U0fI+oArZduBYBYOtWmmwHWWaWgTiLGr5sbPAphuBBGdaCMPq4TMfx9NotC6Q2aX2yLR8YsZGJ7zOrhHQBTAHe6jgu+U= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 2/22/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/church.foul.language.ap/index.html i like the part about how the freakin bomb squad detonated two of the cd players. bomb sqad? blowing up cd players? o yeah- that's right, state violence [military or police] is the answer to everything. like in boston [where i live], where the whole 'public safety' infrastructure went nuts over illuminated signs of a soda cup giving the finger. war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength blowing stuff up is safety -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 25 06:59:51 2007 Return-path: <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from collab.or8.net (collab.or8.net [209.6.82.6]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from collab.or8.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by collab.or8.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77D66C5EA5; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp24.orange.fr (smtp24.orange.fr [193.252.22.28]) by collab.or8.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFCE6BE2DF for <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp24.orange.fr (mwinf2404 [10.232.5.26]) by mwinf2405.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3F0EB1C11AC9 for <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:52:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2404.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 09C6F1C00047; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:52:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.63] (AMarseille-256-1-43-112.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.0.138.112]) by mwinf2404.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 421BD1C00045; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:52:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:52:38 +0100 From: Philippe Petit <xxxxxxxx-xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [Microsound-announce] gone away In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> Sender: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx To: xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: annonces Wire <xxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxxx-xx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, ambient <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, xxx_xxxxxxx_xxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx, idm - moderated <xxx-x@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx" <xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> Errors-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9YQgfYV2XZt3PPJ+r0lqbA)" Precedence: list X-BeenThere: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx Delivered-to: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx X-Original-To: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx X-ME-UUID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1 List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound-announce>, <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound-announce> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx?subject=help> List-Id: microsound related announcements <microsound-announce.microsound.nexthop.net> Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_9YQgfYV2XZt3PPJ+r0lqbA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Mailsmith-B307CC92-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Mailsmith-B307CC92-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good morning Hope that this message finds you well Ending our previous newsletter I was announcing that we had placed on My Space-U-Tubed a video from our live at MIMI festival, a cover from Alice Coltrane. Right after that we heard that she had gone away to her voyage to Satchidananda... R.I.P and Alice Coltrane remains immortal thanx to her marvelous recordings On our side, 2007 starts nicely as once again we are on a compilation with our friend Murcof... plus Alias, Gold Chains, L'Usine and some lesser known acts... Each remixing new queen of modern folk My Brightest Diamond. Whereas everyone is "tearing down" a song of hers, we did a collab : sending Shara Worden an instro for her to sing over. It is out on US label Asthmatic Kitty and can be streamed there: http://www.asthmatickitty.com/music.php?releaseID=70 Or else we just uploaded it in our player : Strings Of Consciousness & My Brightest Diamond : gone away http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness Our first album is almost complete, mid-March we'll go for mastering @ The Alchemy, in London and release is scheduled by the end of June Before as an appetizer, in April will be released a picture disc 7 inch... Beautiful piece of vinyl making one of my oldest dream come true So u will hear from us soon hav a nice day --Mailsmith-B307CC92-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Good morning</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hope that this message finds you well</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Ending our previous newsletter I was announcing that we had placed on My Space-U-Tubed a video from our live at MIMI festival, a cover from Alice Coltrane. </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Right after that we heard that she had gone away to her voyage to Satchidananda... R.I.P and Alice Coltrane remains immortal thanx to her marvelous recordings</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On our side, 2007 starts nicely as once again we are on a compilation with our friend Murcof...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">plus Alias, Gold Chains, L'Usine and some lesser known acts... </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Each remixing new queen of modern folk My Brightest Diamond. </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Whereas everyone is "tearing down" a song of hers, we did a collab : sending Shara Worden an instro for her to sing over. </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">It is out on US label Asthmatic Kitty and can be streamed there:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.asthmatickitty.com/music.php?releaseID=70">http://www.asthmatickitty.com/music.php?releaseID=70</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; "><BR style=""></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; ">Or else we just uploaded it in our player : </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; ">Strings Of Consciousness & My Brightest Diamond : gone away</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0037EC" face="Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;"><A href="http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness">http://www.myspace.com/stringsofconsciousness</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0037EC" face="Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal American Typewriter; min-height: 14px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0037EC" face="Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter">Our first album is almost complete, mid-March we'll go for mastering @ The Alchemy, in London and release is scheduled by the end of June</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="American Typewriter">Before as an appetizer, in April will be released a picture disc 7 inch... 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Fri Feb 23 04:16:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41560-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16766 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:19:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 16723 invoked from network); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:19:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:15:34 +1100 From: xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx Subject: Re: [microsound] alarm clock with downloadable tones? (was: audio terrorism) In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ugsumA6Pyp4Gq9+bdfMyKg)" X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DMMail/CORP(653HF252|January 07, 2005) at 23/02/2007 03:16:13 PM Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ugsumA6Pyp4Gq9+bdfMyKg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Mailsmith-B3106346-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Mailsmith-B3106346-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can get alarm clocks that will play MP3, and also that will dock your ipod/no-name brand mp3 player. An exciting time to be alive... Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To 23/02/2007 03:10 microsound PM <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> cc Please respond to Subject microsound Re: [microsound] alarm clock with <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx downloadable tones? (was: audio real.org> terrorism) Well there are alarm clock cdplayers that will play your CD as an alarm. AD --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 2/22/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > my uncle fondly retells a story in which he made a sinister 'alarm > > clock' > > Alarm clock, hmmm... > > If cell phones can be given new ring tones, it shouldn't be hard to > give an alarm clock new tones. Or is this idea already obviated by > people using their cell phones as alarm clocks. > > And has anyone here done microsound ring tones? > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org DTAE CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER The information in this transmission may be confidential and/or protected by legal professional privilege, and is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. 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No liability is accepted for any unauthorised use of the information contained in this transmission. --Mailsmith-B3106346-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><body> <p>You can get alarm clocks that will play MP3, and also that will dock your ipod/no-name brand mp3 player.<br> <br> An exciting time to be alive...<br> <br> <br> <img src="cid:10__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" width="16" height="16" alt="Inactive hide details for Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx>">Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx><br> <br> <br> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr valign="top"><td style="background-image:url(cid:20__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx); background-repeat: no-repeat; " width="40%"> <ul> <ul> <ul> <ul><b><font size="2">Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx></font></b><font size="2"> </font> <p><font size="2">23/02/2007 03:10 PM</font> <table border="1"> <tr valign="top"><td width="168" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div align="center"><font size="2">Please respond to<br> microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx></font></div></td></tr> </table> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </td><td width="60%"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr valign="top"><td width="1%"><img src="cid:30__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" border="0" height="1" width="58" alt=""><br> <div align="right"><font size="2">To</font></div></td><td width="100%"><img src="cid:30__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" border="0" height="1" width="1" alt=""><br> <font size="2">microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx></font></td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td width="1%"><img src="cid:30__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" border="0" height="1" width="58" alt=""><br> <div align="right"><font size="2">cc</font></div></td><td width="100%"><img src="cid:30__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" border="0" height="1" width="1" alt=""><br> </td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td width="1%"><img src="cid:30__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" border="0" height="1" width="58" alt=""><br> <div align="right"><font size="2">Subject</font></div></td><td width="100%"><img src="cid:30__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" border="0" height="1" width="1" alt=""><br> <font size="2">Re: [microsound] alarm clock with downloadable tones? (was: audio terrorism)</font></td></tr> </table> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr valign="top"><td width="58"><img src="cid:30__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" border="0" height="1" width="1" alt=""></td><td width="336"><img src="cid:30__=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx" border="0" height="1" width="1" alt=""></td></tr> </table> </td></tr> </table> <br> <tt>Well there are alarm clock cdplayers that will play your CD as an<br> alarm.<br> <br> AD<br> <br> --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:<br> <br> > On 2/22/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:<br> > > my uncle fondly retells a story in which he made a sinister 'alarm<br> > > clock'<br> > <br> > Alarm clock, hmmm...<br> > <br> > If cell phones can be given new ring tones, it shouldn't be hard to<br> > give an alarm clock new tones. Or is this idea already obviated by<br> > people using their cell phones as alarm clocks.<br> > <br> > And has anyone here done microsound ring tones?<br> > <br> > -- <br> > Milan Davidovic<br> > </tt><tt><a href="http://altmilan.blogspot.com">http://altmilan.blogspot.com</a></tt><tt><br> > </tt><tt><a href="http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758">http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758</a></tt><tt><br> > <br> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------<br> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br> > website: </tt><tt><a href="http://www.microsound.org">http://www.microsound.org</a></tt><tt><br> > <br> > <br> <br> <br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------<br> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx<br> website: </tt><tt><a href="http://www.microsound.org">http://www.microsound.org</a></tt><tt><br> <br> </tt><br> <br> <br> <br> DTAE CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER<br> The information in this transmission may be confidential and/or protected by legal professional privilege, and is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. If you are not such a person, you are warned that any disclosure, copying or dissemination of the information is unauthorised. If you have received the transmission in error, please immediately contact this office by telephone, fax or email, to inform us of the error and to enable arrangements to be made for the destruction of the transmission, or its return at our cost. No liability is accepted for any unauthorised use of the information contained in this transmission.</body></html> --Mailsmith-B3106346-0D39-11DC-8A19-000D932C0D78-- --Boundary_(ID_ugsumA6Pyp4Gq9+bdfMyKg)-- From ???@??? Fri Feb 23 04:11:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41559-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13774 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:14:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 13746 invoked from network); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:14:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] alarm clock with downloadable tones? (was: audio terrorism) In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: bsjwcjcVM1nQTiahb9iYAKmrqLktnuxBfAvG0z7LKeV990zlaoL4a.ne1bWtDeZxMlUesU3fdlDIy4gTAh0mARA4mb99wTI1r4Em8JOgy88yyluGv_i3KlVXSQTMiDGsrUK6UiNheqxrXeQ3LR.26md3M4TZmTh3G1qdcMYrO7l_VrpJW3zfMw-- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Well there are alarm clock cdplayers that will play your CD as an alarm. AD --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 2/22/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > my uncle fondly retells a story in which he made a sinister 'alarm > > clock' > > Alarm clock, hmmm... > > If cell phones can be given new ring tones, it shouldn't be hard to > give an alarm clock new tones. Or is this idea already obviated by > people using their cell phones as alarm clocks. > > And has anyone here done microsound ring tones? > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Feb 23 03:59:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41558-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8598 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:03:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 8588 invoked from network); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:03:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:59:37 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] alarm clock with downloadable tones? (was: audio terrorism) To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ke7KHhe08KN9J6TPyexsLn5lUXLpfXRvXOqhrxMNIf5DbHlQJAd/rtp4BlisekJvNrwJc51wklNe8QWnpHPKRqSidTG54kS1xjifqrDLZftAq6JKSHToqHPr14TG0y5qTy5sgZMIkLU12yNIvUbnMLXfZwFQupsvPii6b7gongk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GYtCBLbvB1nzlERxFr5Flg6KN1xoN35XN73reuAfnF7lCGM7LA1hhsOxcVjKi3NW+Hnf13XYRvH0IjU+CZJqof9bV6xBNBs3Q2ZqY3my9xkL+93vZsQxVdgvuP1lCacLTQ8MbAXZh0uFlJNc0VEPdVreMJ63PZrKyMBF4Ye0dLQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/22/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > my uncle fondly retells a story in which he made a sinister 'alarm > clock' Alarm clock, hmmm... If cell phones can be given new ring tones, it shouldn't be hard to give an alarm clock new tones. Or is this idea already obviated by people using their cell phones as alarm clocks. And has anyone here done microsound ring tones? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Feb 23 02:16:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41557-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66961 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:19:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 66936 invoked from network); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:19:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:15:39 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] audio terrorism In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx it's kind of juvenile, to say the least. but i like the idea of music bombs, so long as they don't damage anyone's hearing. my uncle fondly retells a story in which he made a sinister 'alarm clock' out of a car horn (powered by a car battery) and sealed the thing in a fairly indestructible case while he was in undergraduate electronic engineering. as a practical joke, they placed this sound bomb under a student's bed prior to a critical exam and set the thing off at some ungodly hour:) good thing the victim didn't have any kind of heart condition... any ideas for microsound bombs out there? maybe a new project (yeah right, kim is thinking right now...) g. On 22-Feb-07, at 9:09 PM, Xdugef wrote: > This is giving me a major clue.. > > ;-) > > > --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/church.foul.language.ap/index.html >> >> great stuff. but then again, i'm pretty demented:) >> >> g. >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Feb 23 02:09:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41556-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62852 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:12:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 62840 invoked from network); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:12:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:09:03 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] audio terrorism In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: PSi_kkoVM1lA5u_G.oKS6PK6UN7WYkRQB7dlQfvDak2LzbZBF457MI9OwNUK3IoLk9OhGPmVG9EEbGbQlCP54bvjw2W986DokTQetjV3uKO3Aydsch0LLpHkvzL9gqGuXmuXxJTHxqfkog-- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is giving me a major clue.. ;-) --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/church.foul.language.ap/index.html > > great stuff. but then again, i'm pretty demented:) > > g. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Feb 23 01:58:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41555-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56670 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:01:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 56530 invoked from network); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:01:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:57:42 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] audio terrorism To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/church.foul.language.ap/index.html great stuff. but then again, i'm pretty demented:) g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 21 09:49:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41554-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66852 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:52:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 66840 invoked from network); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:52:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:50:11 +0000 From: Christian Lange <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Numbers In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: NJzji84VM1kpnL1kThcBZ.XmoWYdk5_72I8jOj8CnLm.NnPxkEkc4nBZl1eQCaJNNOBmiH3LivFsLTRPSF2hmSIgMHmsohedsxdmzl5IyVYQ_TnfS6JnqtQ8duR_pvVrL9BV16YjgC.V X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Dear Kim, Just a short note to say your fantastic numbers link arrived just in time for a project we're working on at Fallt. Thanks! If anyone hasn't taken a look and is in any way interested in mathematics or numbers, it's well worth a look: http://www.stetson.edu/~efriedma/numbers.html I can also highly recommend Penguin's 'The Penguin Dictionary of Curious and Interesting Numbers': http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140261494/falltpublishi-21 Best, Christian -- Fallt Publishing | Audio Visual Editions http://www.fallt.com .. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 20 18:05:33 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41553-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 93289 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:08:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 93273 invoked from network); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:08:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:05:21 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] numbers To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZpaIh5ShBjHAWjsZeGxc+w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ZpaIh5ShBjHAWjsZeGxc+w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.stetson.edu/~efriedma/numbers.html --Boundary_(ID_ZpaIh5ShBjHAWjsZeGxc+w)-- From ???@??? Tue Feb 20 16:09:47 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41552-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 44771 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:12:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 44760 invoked from network); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:12:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: bryan garcia <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] sxsw microsound In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DiP4dvBMBRByN9vgrTIcW8auRm5L8o7Erow0q/3oys5WQAK/pfXM6f0jZUER05wA6w1EwheazO1+yfBDgT0MZT7rTp8UP4D3nA8ehm2GR+8DNaUT501H9P1jmHCXqm3jE3gTkp54aL32ZgTuNxcuxSw/5HXAToEPuiRZQ5t7e5Y=; X-YMail-OSG: tHkhM6gVM1mEQee2P7XoJATSY9s4IqO7__UFeDqS8vbjor7cE.6hQDgERzj6tiMzthoWh_RJKZdvy3f_fJns6XWHC6Z2WWZ3y7JOJEYiEyfRFUHZ3P3JS2cfKPRf7ORd1IbS.dBDknVnmvA- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i live in austin and every year we have sxsw, which is always programmed more for rock, but have of late, been getting decent electronic and avant-garde showcases. i wonder if anyone on the list plans on performing here in austin, or if there is in fact a showcase of microsound related artists ? as usual , the week of sxsw is an incredible week of spring weather and exaggerated rock stars and fans alike. its unlike any other music festival i know of. certainly due to the film and web portions of the festival. anyway, just wondering if anyone is planning on being here for this. if so, and you would like a hand in promotion or something, i can make myself available. mardi gras, bryan g ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. 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Mon Feb 19 09:35:02 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41551-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17398 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:37:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 17388 invoked from network); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:37:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:34:42 +0000 From: Peter Worth <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DPdAKL5Vr+QzxB5VRItUtsqafPzVHgc0L0CEZvYM4rDS5sXEfZuEFGSC34eIUAShWUYXC8KVxw6VELyF4OMuGBbU/CoANf7nXQhGi3jWvm/H5u+wsr/mG7vdmxraTF5b5kl/qDIKk2UJ5Cr4/PuVfk3K9CWjo2nEVaji1ahTsVM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i find there is a similar problem in classical music - sometimes, when a piece is played on a piano, you can actually tell it's being played on a piano!!!!1 (if you listen really carefully). it's almost as if the composer hasn't tried to hide it! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 18 08:09:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41550-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66888 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:12:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 66878 invoked from network); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:12:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 02:09:16 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] ...chirp chirp chirp... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NjjNXl94DZ2OOVBs+kfG2V8dkbOIgjU7Ml9rV83MEOVx9QtZbGhSxEggpIHcKuKWDiTHz1mi3cf50c6W65c6PYoIVLBXRKwrOgPon1UQthgBTJPKNevfS7AuIlOz3tOsHOCN4eDWhkxFvTosncEUgksPj4l9UJHT9sw8WccFd4Q= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (The crickets are loud when the list is quiet.) ~Kyle -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Feb 17 18:07:49 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41549-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89104 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:10:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 89090 invoked from network); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:10:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:45:20 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] new book on repository To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1PtmXAjWXva9tN2QYOu/Hw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_1PtmXAjWXva9tN2QYOu/Hw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Benkler_Wealth_Of_Networks.pdf http://www.benkler.org/wealth_of_networks/index.php? title=Download_PDFs_of_the_book this is a free copy of of the book... enjoy! KIM --Boundary_(ID_1PtmXAjWXva9tN2QYOu/Hw)-- From ???@??? Sat Feb 17 03:54:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41548-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34972 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:56:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 34958 invoked from network); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:56:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:53:56 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Klein <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hyyeDteItnovEGq5TfCJJkAyjEnY0sao4kMrc0zi9m4ibYb1oqC9hCMHqPlWqg2WGPa+YY2uIheR8dBLwdNID9HcNQ8DhoGIlvLSmaT7oiJ/BhDMxMuW+D7XyXQjzl+rIo5sZOii1WDDPs7890jjr06Xfp147zTpEYbT2AJfJn8= ; X-YMail-OSG: 5zACVhoVM1md1arQMRxaBZ.Sfjj.Wn1_kvy.CxM9b0uvwL_r.5ylnbXrFEX0IkGIRg-- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i enjoy reading that article every time someone posts it. thanks! it's been a while. --- Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hallo, > Xdugef hat gesagt: // Xdugef wrote: > > > If Steve Jobs was president would there be iphones > in every pot? > > If Steve Albini[1] was president would there be pot > in every iphone? > > [1]: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ > ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: > xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Feb 16 22:38:50 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41547-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13054 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:41:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 13043 invoked from network); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:41:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:38:33 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] body sounds To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SbDtBgK4+nM5AXAYaoinXA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_SbDtBgK4+nM5AXAYaoinXA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit an interesting way to capture/record muscle sounds: http://www.instructables.com/id/E6UNFPT2VXEXCFH2JY/ --Boundary_(ID_SbDtBgK4+nM5AXAYaoinXA)-- From ???@??? Fri Feb 16 18:08:03 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41546-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73566 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:10:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 73544 invoked from network); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:10:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:07:30 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Noel Carroll... To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-91EB43ABBDE811DB9171000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.105]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Been pursuing an interest in representation in music and thought I'd upload a couple of Noel Carroll essays concerning narrative in history and the history of art: Carroll, Noel: "Interpretation, History and Narrative" Carroll, Noel: "Historical Narratives and the Philosophy of Art" They're in the microsound repository, and for those of you who view Marxist aesthetics the way Dubya views Iran, there's nothing particularly manichean here... Storytelling in microsound, anyone? <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Feb 16 02:14:51 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41545-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7947 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:17:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 7936 invoked from network); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:17:24 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: T2MMKNMVM1meTzEIZzuNDTwRxf4mU4uSeyINA4SV4b5kkv2r8GJl8VKiexvYm.FZ4WtJyv5vcDGDeX9I_ASjij2qSf8lCJV723SJbkP0iunp_2XpLAy4RBJhPqOdFNMPpwt.AbkJO0UeSLE- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hehe yeah didn't mean to lump you in.. time to join the luddites. --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > i'm in canada land of the gunless (more or less... you can't buy them > > at walmart, let's just say...) > > On 15-Feb-07, at 6:13 PM, Xdugef wrote: > > > Uh well you can't say we don't have our share of guns.. ;-) > > > > > > --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > > > >> i'll take our mindless religion over their mindless religion any > day. > >> > >> iphones not guns. > >> > >> g. > >> > >>> > >>> which has the most detrimental effect on our world? [consumerism > or > >> > >>> islam] > >>> > >>> -- > >>> \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Feb 16 01:46:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41544-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 96212 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:48:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 96201 invoked from network); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:48:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:46:06 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'm in canada land of the gunless (more or less... you can't buy them at walmart, let's just say...) On 15-Feb-07, at 6:13 PM, Xdugef wrote: > Uh well you can't say we don't have our share of guns.. ;-) > > > --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > >> i'll take our mindless religion over their mindless religion any day. >> >> iphones not guns. >> >> g. >> >>> >>> which has the most detrimental effect on our world? [consumerism or >> >>> islam] >>> >>> -- >>> \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Fri Feb 16 00:12:04 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41543-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 56524 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:14:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 56505 invoked from network); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:14:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:11:31 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [redux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-416A7F38BD5211DB9171000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.105]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kim Cascone wrote on 2/15/07 at 2:56 PM >http://tinyurl.com/ytj4vk So is this an excerpt from Johnson's essay collection? Hand Grenades and Horse Shoes: The Work of a Legendary Critic: Consumer Electronics as Literature and Literature as Consumer Electronics <http://www.amazon.com/Psychotic-Reactions-Carburetor-Dung-Literature/dp /0679720456/sr=1-1/qid=1171584416/ref=sr_1_1/104-9988310-2383119?ie=UTF8 &s=books> <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 23:13:30 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41542-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30165 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:15:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 30151 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:15:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: JXchkaMVM1mcdJ1nvAzAY8nooukhPzbHEI5JVQOcnK8yErPGimcRSG.D.ivloftGkQ-- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Uh well you can't say we don't have our share of guns.. ;-) --- Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > i'll take our mindless religion over their mindless religion any day. > > iphones not guns. > > g. > > > > > which has the most detrimental effect on our world? [consumerism or > > > islam] > > > > -- > > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 23:09:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41541-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27564 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:11:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 27552 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:11:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:08:51 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i'll take our mindless religion over their mindless religion any day. iphones not guns. g. > > which has the most detrimental effect on our world? [consumerism or > islam] > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 22:21:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41540-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3230 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:23:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 3220 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:23:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: swVwrEMVM1kUrbnAuKr.6TA5bxd9oUn1hsZdwXEpqhRgHzrPE1d7ki8EsR3dsubCbwu7SBr2PXOJcf1siNYVjRBt84t1PaL4TYnTUgR6tszbvjiysbqIaoruRdqPW_RbLOawfnYlCCpgvKw- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx let's not turn this into a holy war. ;-) --- john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > hi > > On 2/15/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Planned obsolescence is one of the prime factors in perpetuating > > needless and inflationary debt in (at least U.S.) society. > > yes, that's one of the 5 pillars of consumerism [compare islam] > > 1. there is only one true currency [dollar] > 2. 5 media sources each day [fox news/cnn, cbs/nbc/abc, > nytimes/washington post, espn, qvc] > 3. obligatory maintenance and upgrades [planned obsolescence] > 4. shopping > 5. pilgrimage to wall st > > which has the most detrimental effect on our world? [consumerism or > islam] > > -- > \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 21:53:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41539-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.187]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta26.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83173 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:56:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 83163 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:56:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:53:29 -0500 From: john saylor <xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Cc: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AHGW2nBhUXUUWCycgzezU71uwqFVzg0nIiqg0o9LppjXyHcGf6WjOF0HRvO0zAQHYoU4FHJu0OnVkdAOmuJy/hEN+0BJG0zNoR4UQSTOjOQCPPkr7kr9AKf35UaRweijD5hcCi/ScIYoowINz/9p8FvbiEghG578h39Yf5sxAfM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx hi On 2/15/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Planned obsolescence is one of the prime factors in perpetuating > needless and inflationary debt in (at least U.S.) society. yes, that's one of the 5 pillars of consumerism [compare islam] 1. there is only one true currency [dollar] 2. 5 media sources each day [fox news/cnn, cbs/nbc/abc, nytimes/washington post, espn, qvc] 3. obligatory maintenance and upgrades [planned obsolescence] 4. shopping 5. pilgrimage to wall st which has the most detrimental effect on our world? [consumerism or islam] -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 21:42:44 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41538-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76958 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:45:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 76948 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:45:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:42:18 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z6hVvTNiv02IzQnHJUs1e2O3X9OyTCEW1+lg//Nks5laAa03rOxSvxVbgaPSwhnpQT0IUkGDYn4EEwTC9yAjJUmrFlFWc1/45Uc3QFbg3pR9SS48B4i8p5/6yzOHQk7+zV7B1uLh4y/hI7maSAOQKj+/2Yh3VW7KxojDprLC2L0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/15/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > If consumer goods were made of a consistently higher quality (remember > those VCR's from the late 1980s?), then people wouldn't buy as many, > and there wouldn't be a need to constantly push these products, thus > causing many financial sectors to crumble If system hadn't been grown to depend on consumer debt, we wouldn't have this problem. It's all about greed. Why the hell are we so greedy? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 21:35:04 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41537-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71381 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:37:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 71371 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:37:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:34:50 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Cfqm2IzRF0Qz7RWW927pDSqV0NzpZmloQg0iqMY0yFFmIEPwrjs79RUaN6N1uLQN/UeVbgPml6+x6mGPmosAWUNYKsSavMpLqTzzg42ZtkW128XJ/tD8K0RmlTC2ozSbcZZhWsSfcxPlMa8h4VH4vphRjbDM3/ZY1TnYche6K0s= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Planned obsolescence is one of the prime factors in perpetuating needless and inflationary debt in (at least U.S.) society. If consumer goods were made of a consistently higher quality (remember those VCR's from the late 1980s?), then people wouldn't buy as many, and there wouldn't be a need to constantly push these products, thus causing many financial sectors to crumble (because they rely on consumer debt, fueled by marketed 'desire' as a crutch to support their industries). It makes me wonder if this strategy is a big part of why North American auto companies are biting the big one now: people prefer the quality of a car that lasts 300k miles as opposed to 100k miles. Is it any wonder why the two growing industries in the US right now are financial services, and the medical field? Both are indelibly linked to consumer debt, in fact, rely upon it to fill their coffers. Of course, I'm not an economist. These are just vague thoughts, not a thesis. ~Kyle On 2/15/07, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Gee is it any wonder that half the equipment I buy now was released an > average of 5 years or more prior. > > I recently had to replace my 6 year old Nokia after I threw on the > ground one too many times and instead of opting for a new phone that > would have way more features, cost more and break much quicker I got > the nokia that was closest to the one I had. > > Actually I had been meaning to buy a used nokia like the one I had > because I had allready spare parted out another like it my girlfriend > had owned but since I was suddenly SOL with no phone I had to go to the > store to replace it the same day. But I liked the old one better.. > maybe I will still buy a old used one. > > Anyway planned obsolescence sucks we live in a disposable culture. > Gizmodo heralds it's regress. > > > --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > http://tinyurl.com/ytj4vk > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 21:14:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41536-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57846 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:16:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 57777 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:16:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:13:55 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [reflux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 8jjaxEMVM1kWe854JDtvCHwyccO0aUHO3yxC.bIW0W_FoRpdHpkh_DeSYyeWyQy5lSxTPYaF5Cj6VdntG2KPdhze2EqfbVWKmhw7Up8kd0Jig4GQlah2S7SkmlWvhSPWd6STh894JeKdUr8- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Gee is it any wonder that half the equipment I buy now was released an average of 5 years or more prior. I recently had to replace my 6 year old Nokia after I threw on the ground one too many times and instead of opting for a new phone that would have way more features, cost more and break much quicker I got the nokia that was closest to the one I had. Actually I had been meaning to buy a used nokia like the one I had because I had allready spare parted out another like it my girlfriend had owned but since I was suddenly SOL with no phone I had to go to the store to replace it the same day. But I liked the old one better.. maybe I will still buy a old used one. Anyway planned obsolescence sucks we live in a disposable culture. Gizmodo heralds it's regress. --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/ytj4vk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 20:32:57 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41535-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36597 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:35:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 36587 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:35:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:32:53 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [redux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This has been human nature since we became pseudo_civilized. It wont stop anytime soon. What modern man has lost touch with more so then our ancestors is what is necessity and what is not. aLEKs On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/ytj4vk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 20:28:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41534-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34114 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:30:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 34087 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:30:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:27:58 -0800 (PST) From: Cordell Klier <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume [redux] In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MVtXug3M3XQnVBV1bzv3QhV6F+glwgoZz65mEJIvvOvuLDWvK1kaqxrglvl1t1goBrdE3uKn00t27crzRkkjXX5WiuV/CE06W5zxyYUmgl4BUBC7yUYJM7yxxy4PQSHnaz2mUqm8dLOx64VpxEtSXuBpan0XSTvcNj9KrdBEpf0= ; X-YMail-OSG: bksEVNMVM1mRigSW39vec0GQ5xYX77m9R2TYKvdbr6wIr9D6dlGKSeRzJ3ic7pVIeGTG0Kcp4xJqWZLjI4xDYoeIWPwtzpJuNv.jTsYGx6OiapsXkAMxX1RxAhQZkuSzcFMKip1n4Kti9hM- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. nice post! :) I rarely ever comment about this stuf.. but I actually laughed out loud reading this. I have never bought new products (except for a bed, and toys when I was a child - that goes without saying if you ask me...).. especially not new software, or electronics. Seems like those that do this are just trying to find any loose-excuse to make their annoying pleas at how they are so ahead of everyone musically or artistically. Maybe I'm just getting older, but i still prefer people who scrape forks across the ceiling and then add a bit of reverb & maybe a high-pass EQ to make it twinkle all Bernhard Gunter-"monochrome..blah blah blah"-like. Things like this, and the additudes tend to stand the test of time better then the "NEWEST SOUND POSSIBLE". ..wow that sounds crass.. but i really don't mean it that way. I justly find it very funny that the cyclic effects of human consumer culture are/is still being ignored when it comes to entertainment & the arts when we desire to be purchase/get "things". But where would we be without our popularity contests... prolly like many of us and barely selling-out our releases in a year. ;) *giggles* The field of Mathematics is the same way. Look into the word of physics from time to time and you'll see the same silliness. Yet, personally I think the world of graphic design is quite ridiculous when it comes to software trends. That whole industry never can seem to make up it's mind ever. Anyway. I never post anything, so i figured whatever. All in good fun. later all. Cordell / DOCTSECT / GRACIOUS Design www.doctsect.com ::comming soon:: www.gracious.com --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/ytj4vk > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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Thu Feb 15 19:57:19 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41533-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18595 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:59:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 18583 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:59:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:56:58 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iConsume [redux] To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_zTWN7reWhs00HrkVd5e9cQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_zTWN7reWhs00HrkVd5e9cQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://tinyurl.com/ytj4vk --Boundary_(ID_zTWN7reWhs00HrkVd5e9cQ)-- From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 18:36:51 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41532-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74901 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:39:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 74889 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:39:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:36:30 -0800 From: craquemattic <xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx There is a close symbiosis between tool and creator. People may use the same tools as others in order to "sound" like the others, or they may use whatever tools they have at their disposal. I believe most interesting music comes from people who put their musicality before their virtuosity, allowing the music to take precedence over the technique. I'm curious about the extent to which tools define the course of sonic exploration. There is the attention of the improvisor to his tools, in combination with awareness of the total sound. A lot of times - especially with free improvisors - the tools are the primary course of expression, and mean everything to the music at hand. But the thing that draws you in is the artist speaking through the tools. On Feb 14, 2007, at 10:20 PM, Renick Bell wrote: >> I agree, that often people are more interested with 'the sound' of >> their music than basic, down-to-earth songwriting and composition. >> You >> can add all the bells and whistles that you'd like, but without a >> solid framework, it's just a bunch of fluff. > > Oh... I don't mean to say that some compositional concept is more > important > than the sound. In fact, I think (off this topic) that the surface > of the work > is often more important than the concept underlying the piece. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 15:03:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41531-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74198 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:05:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 74181 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:05:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:02:54 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] Re: the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uQlRTS7TQ70LGTDmf6XGBi4ONZ2wO92DXEDkE6dwPlAItQuV4lawqPHrsIiiUWnL/t4fbmGhRbNb1FyN3Lz5jlRaRFCZ8WXyMNQHgRKRpZIdR+zWVUizlV0BhvXmEzpWUpsUfvHnUSdcGEHkfoHMn/eO65QZK3LCNN/zgbgwM/c= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yes, I agree. I'm not totally against adding ornaments to sound! My statement was too brief and bold. It's more important WHAT it sounds like rather than HOW it was made. ~Kyle On 2/15/07, Renick Bell <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > I agree, that often people are more interested with 'the sound' of > > their music than basic, down-to-earth songwriting and composition. You > > can add all the bells and whistles that you'd like, but without a > > solid framework, it's just a bunch of fluff. > > Oh... I don't mean to say that some compositional concept is more important > than the sound. In fact, I think (off this topic) that the surface of the work > is often more important than the concept underlying the piece. > > What I mean is that "the tool is the message" seems to say that the most > important feature of a piece is or ought to be the tools used to make it. It's > that idea that irritates me. Like I said before, it seems that some critics > make the tool the message. My point is that if the tool becomes the message of > the piece, then it has failed aesthetically (barring those few pieces in which > the artist deliberately intended for it to be so, most of which tend to be > uninteresting). A PD patch or piano sonata shouldn't be saying "I am PD, I am > PD, I am PD" or "These are my keys, these are my pedals." It should be more > "neato skittering beats," "crazy algorithmic noise," "drone," "random ordering > of pre-selected recordings of political speakers for surprising meaning > juxtapositions" or in the case of the piano "quick minor mf run," "dense atonal > chord blocks," "romantic moody atmosphere" etc. > > A discussion of tools has its place (which can more efficiently achieve some > result, how to improve technique, and so on), but if the most outstanding > message of a piece is the tool, it's probably a bad piece or bad criticism on > the part of the writer. > > Renick > > > Renick Bell > http://the3rd2nd.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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Thu Feb 15 06:39:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41530-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.182]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta21.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66602 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:41:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 66591 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:41:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:39:03 -0800 (PST) From: Renick Bell <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: the tool has become the message To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UgZ1m72r3CKqLYUfPQJOx5Ere6NUcwfIvMDTp1jqvCsA8G9G8hPR6M8LRk0lOro9dnAw8Er4JUDgug1S71gL4XbmE0x1fQu1xtnBi5JKgRZ0emqE4jkIasjxghzGV+pHinCwqX/7Op+Z5+GGgGlSQDZb7ZQEoITBJzpEsrKaU4s=; X-YMail-OSG: WUOHwKAVM1kGd9flKBM3M9O65_77xwpUgxh1OMnrBOkzB7gMxQ8zTzQk2.xrxhGWGXZqYHsbJDP_.RCutHee9YFT66BbUWyD45GFHTsWCLzQxyInrHn16wHGWxZ9Es94EQdVHX8LR7hiRXg- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >"Cheese straight from an unexpected cow is fresher and better than the > >processed, packaged stuff stocked in our software menus." > > I'm still trying to figure out how you get cheese straight from a > cow. And why an unexpected cow? Is it wrong to expect cows? hehehehe :) It's wrong not to bow to the cow! http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0030.php Renick Bell http://the3rd2nd.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 06:26:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41529-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 61386 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:28:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 61374 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:28:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:27:15 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200706c1f9acfb00dc@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >"Cheese straight from an unexpected cow is fresher and better than the >processed, packaged stuff stocked in our software menus." I'm still trying to figure out how you get cheese straight from a cow. And why an unexpected cow? Is it wrong to expect cows? R. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ (Not much there yet. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe next week.) Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "When the government no longer trusts the people, it should dissolve them and elect a new people." - Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 06:20:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41528-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58557 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:22:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 58543 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:22:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:20:06 -0800 (PST) From: Renick Bell <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: the tool has become the message To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AM8iBZGrFZwTb3PNjiesJNeYq3gnKDPUvM/+OTYVeMfZbnqXS6NypK4AMpEk+utKEqtVvrw8Skw0UDXH+ofnd/jtgHtMNoB9y2bByhysVrX6zLaIGz18rMiOP8AiqIsUJwI5PKd9IFxODfKNlYSyZ/rpUgifUpzXN3CINbUCd/Y=; X-YMail-OSG: YABT3OMVM1m_DoCK.ttmJESZA3qpd.3huBosGYXiHZOji9o_DQxhP559bbLCoaqP_bv8o_w0ZznSwcY6Qv6VY_KQoCb8Z6IQiXwu0rYBp4uVGpstNYNeRM4Onc7V3LsNvWanHmM584v14_g- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > I agree, that often people are more interested with 'the sound' of > their music than basic, down-to-earth songwriting and composition. You > can add all the bells and whistles that you'd like, but without a > solid framework, it's just a bunch of fluff. Oh... I don't mean to say that some compositional concept is more important than the sound. In fact, I think (off this topic) that the surface of the work is often more important than the concept underlying the piece. What I mean is that "the tool is the message" seems to say that the most important feature of a piece is or ought to be the tools used to make it. It's that idea that irritates me. Like I said before, it seems that some critics make the tool the message. My point is that if the tool becomes the message of the piece, then it has failed aesthetically (barring those few pieces in which the artist deliberately intended for it to be so, most of which tend to be uninteresting). A PD patch or piano sonata shouldn't be saying "I am PD, I am PD, I am PD" or "These are my keys, these are my pedals." It should be more "neato skittering beats," "crazy algorithmic noise," "drone," "random ordering of pre-selected recordings of political speakers for surprising meaning juxtapositions" or in the case of the piano "quick minor mf run," "dense atonal chord blocks," "romantic moody atmosphere" etc. A discussion of tools has its place (which can more efficiently achieve some result, how to improve technique, and so on), but if the most outstanding message of a piece is the tool, it's probably a bad piece or bad criticism on the part of the writer. Renick Renick Bell http://the3rd2nd.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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Thu Feb 15 05:29:27 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41527-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42909 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:32:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 42897 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:32:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:29:18 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GAUwUKi/MDyVjpTxeK6pbgfJAzWT68XmMh40SNSmEYkN5tFaqu9TbFI3RE+DhuTUA2kgZ4XMht7O94v37jpFZBRaeV2X/AIUFBPqdTC2LxhLVRR+f8yyIqep2hNEroNUI65FCIann8ikW594QRl4w64GlZSAgJfcBboNeNefRzs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/14/07, Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I agree, that often people are more interested with 'the sound' of > their music than basic, down-to-earth songwriting and composition. You > can add all the bells and whistles that you'd like, but without a > solid framework, it's just a bunch of fluff. > > ~Kyle However: this sounds a lot like a modernist position, attempting to oppose postmodernism, but you don't give any justification as to why "fluff" is a BAD THING. It is precisely the characteristic of postmodernism artistic production to be ALL surface, all "fluff" ... all "effect" with no substance behind it. I would propose that the current DSP/remix culture is a perfect example of postmodern culture as pure simulacra and hyperreality. This line of thought reminded me of the Postmodernism book by Frederic Jameson, which I haven't read in years. Apparently my memory of the essay was rather more interesting than the essay itself, but I did try to find a couple of appropriate quotes online, that allude to this postmodern schizo-experience of living on a surface that has no depth and is all fluff. The following is from http://homepage.newschool.edu/~quigleyt/vcs/jameson/jameson.html : 'Indeed, there is a kind of return of the repressed in Diamond Dust Shoes, a strange, compensatory, decorative exhilaration, explicitly designated by the title itself, which is, of course, the glitter of gold dust, the spangling of gilt sand that seals the surface of the painting and yet continues to glint at us.' ..... 'Nor is this depthlessness merely metaphorical: it can be experienced physically and "literally" by anyone who, mounting what used to be Raymond Chandler's Bunker Hill from the great Chicano markets on Broadway and Fourth Street in downtown Los Angeles, suddenly confronts the great free-standing wall of Wells Fargo Court (Skidmore, Owings and Merrill) -- a surface which seems to be unsupported by any volume, or whose putative volume (rectangular? trapezoidal?) is ocularly quite undecidable. This great sheet of windows, with its gravity-defying two-dimensionality, momentarily transforms the solid ground on which we stand into the contents of a stereopticon, pasteboard shapes profiling themselves here and there around us. The visual effect is the same from all sides: as fateful as the great monolith in Stanley Kubrick's 2001 which confronts its viewers like an enigmatic destiny, a call to evolutionary mutation.' .... 'If we are unable to unify the past, present, and future of the sentence, then we are similarly unable to unify the past, present, and future of our own biographical experience or psychic life. With the breakdown of the signifying chain, therefore, the schizophrenic is reduced to an experience of pure material signifiers, or, in other words, a series of pure and unrelated presents in time. We will want to ask questions about the aesthetic or cultural results of such a situation in a moment; let us first see what it feels like: "I remember very well the day it happened. We were staying in the country and I had gone for a walk alone as I did now and then. Suddenly, as I was passing the school, I heard a German song; the children were having a singing lesson. I stopped to listen, and at that instant a strange feeling came over me, a feeling hard to analyze but akin to something I was to know too well later -- a disturbing sense of unreality. It seemed to me that I no longer recognized the school, it had become as large as a barracks; the singing children were prisoners, compelled to sing. It was as though the school and the children's song were set apart from the rest of the world. At the same time my eye encountered a field of wheat whose limits I could not see. The yellow vastness, dazzling in the sun, bound up with the song of the children imprisoned in the smooth stone school-barracks, filled me with such anxiety that I broke into sobs. I ran home to our garden and began to play "to make things seem as they usually were," that is, to return to reality. It was the first appearance of those elements which were always present in later sensations of unreality: illimitable vastness, brilliant light, and the gloss and smoothness of material things."' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 15 04:50:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41526-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29085 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:52:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 29036 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:52:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:49:15 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p1c/m2PiwW6ZdV0E803cbKDHTa1a/nM+CkMR2EzLANvDZak2izWsf4wzxrZajBxDbap8opmQp64S3XoQqWW4NXkkzVIJvjgFzNnUlPnPm6XOwW8G8tgouqAg09jICPemIGxN0ojDFQjV69Zn7852hyCku9N3ng94FToa8rwqLu0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Very well written and though provoking! I agree, that often people are more interested with 'the sound' of their music than basic, down-to-earth songwriting and composition. You can add all the bells and whistles that you'd like, but without a solid framework, it's just a bunch of fluff. ~Kyle On 2/14/07, Renick Bell <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > The tool is rarely the intended message. The resulting sound from an idiomatic > usage of the tool can become cliche. Poor usage of a tool can draw inordinate > attention to the tool. > > Our tools largely make it possible for us to present a message. Anytime a new > tool or technique appears, there is the potential for many people to use it to > express the same message. For example, the wah-wah pedal made the idiomatic > "wikiwiki" sound that people associate with 70s funk and porn sound tracks > possible. Non-musicians have a vague idea, if any, about the tool that makes > that message possible. I think many, if not most, guitarists thing of the wah > pedal as a means rather than the purpose of their playing. However, the audible > message (the filter sweep) and its association to other non-musical ideas > (funk, sex, seediness) is very clear for most modern players and audiences. > This sound is threadbare, but composers can sometimes use it for effect because > of its strong association. > > The trombone has historically had a message associated with it (the idea of the > underworld). > > http://symphony.calpoly.edu/History%20of%20Symphony/Trombone.html > > In the 20th century, some people might argue that trombone glissandos became > cliche. > > Many people recognize the overwrought vibrato of some opera vocalists. It's a > classic instance of a technique's (tool's) usage gone wrong. > > In an interview (Le Monde de la Musique #215, November 1997), Rinaldo > Alessandrini said (Google translation): > > http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Topics/Vibrato-3.htm > > "What do you think of the use of the vibrato in the old vocal music? Is it > sufficiently justified? One regarded the vibrato as a disturbing element in the > old music. In fact, the problem does not come from the vibrato itself, but from > its use without understanding. In the polyphony, it is harmful: it masks the > intonation and deteriorates the resonance of the agreement. But in the vocal > music soloist, it is carrying the emotion; same manner; in the madrigal, the > singer will reach with the sublime one if it manages to distinguish in the line > the moment when it will be able to accentuate using the vibrato the feeling of > competition between the voices, typical of this form." > > The problem in computer music is that cliched or poor tool-usage is prevalent, > as it is in any art form. I can myself easily be guilty of lack of creative > application of the tools at hand. While some artists may deliberately want to > draw attention to their particular usage of a tool, I don't think it's the > purpose of most computer musicians. I definitely think it's a relatively > uninteresting artistic direction with few exceptions. Excessive emphasis of our > tools leads to elitism and fetishism among musicians and distraction and > confusion for audiences and critics. I think that's the point Momus is making > when he concludes: > > "Cheese straight from an unexpected cow is fresher and better than the > processed, packaged stuff stocked in our software menus." > > Lynch's tool (juxtaposition? absurdity?) made possible a situation or message. > A critic, artist, or cynic might only see the technique, but the people on the > street likely got the message. > > Renick > > > Renick Bell > http://the3rd2nd.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! 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Thu Feb 15 03:56:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41525-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9021 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:59:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 9004 invoked from network); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:59:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:56:26 -0800 (PST) From: Renick Bell <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SyWQc4v1NXoV7Z7pc7LtZ8upZZdswSGC/ZgoYYAtRl31zC9tekz/KjcNEB2hjxY3JiTixa84ATNQQR0iHxJGdeSATJOHytI940pNGQPYhp06pxSPfYvSK2IF0ay4S76MsInizeXKgmZJB5M++ksEq2hj5FCPRq1vcBje3A5i220= ; X-YMail-OSG: wSINj3YVM1kGqgOyfYEnHw1UKXTKyGPy_MEJe87_YQecyOVg4bPhfJbo1dG6nRu9f9gfRPCVm9.9Nrj8huvrXzswl5xNKnarqoyEuLS92vCpzVOjzMX83omiM0vaHGpM0d4dEPI2hZlZaaQ- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The tool is rarely the intended message. The resulting sound from an idiomatic usage of the tool can become cliche. Poor usage of a tool can draw inordinate attention to the tool. Our tools largely make it possible for us to present a message. Anytime a new tool or technique appears, there is the potential for many people to use it to express the same message. For example, the wah-wah pedal made the idiomatic "wikiwiki" sound that people associate with 70s funk and porn sound tracks possible. Non-musicians have a vague idea, if any, about the tool that makes that message possible. I think many, if not most, guitarists thing of the wah pedal as a means rather than the purpose of their playing. However, the audible message (the filter sweep) and its association to other non-musical ideas (funk, sex, seediness) is very clear for most modern players and audiences. This sound is threadbare, but composers can sometimes use it for effect because of its strong association. The trombone has historically had a message associated with it (the idea of the underworld). http://symphony.calpoly.edu/History%20of%20Symphony/Trombone.html In the 20th century, some people might argue that trombone glissandos became cliche. Many people recognize the overwrought vibrato of some opera vocalists. It's a classic instance of a technique's (tool's) usage gone wrong. In an interview (Le Monde de la Musique #215, November 1997), Rinaldo Alessandrini said (Google translation): http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Topics/Vibrato-3.htm "What do you think of the use of the vibrato in the old vocal music? Is it sufficiently justified? One regarded the vibrato as a disturbing element in the old music. In fact, the problem does not come from the vibrato itself, but from its use without understanding. In the polyphony, it is harmful: it masks the intonation and deteriorates the resonance of the agreement. But in the vocal music soloist, it is carrying the emotion; same manner; in the madrigal, the singer will reach with the sublime one if it manages to distinguish in the line the moment when it will be able to accentuate using the vibrato the feeling of competition between the voices, typical of this form." The problem in computer music is that cliched or poor tool-usage is prevalent, as it is in any art form. I can myself easily be guilty of lack of creative application of the tools at hand. While some artists may deliberately want to draw attention to their particular usage of a tool, I don't think it's the purpose of most computer musicians. I definitely think it's a relatively uninteresting artistic direction with few exceptions. Excessive emphasis of our tools leads to elitism and fetishism among musicians and distraction and confusion for audiences and critics. I think that's the point Momus is making when he concludes: "Cheese straight from an unexpected cow is fresher and better than the processed, packaged stuff stocked in our software menus." Lynch's tool (juxtaposition? absurdity?) made possible a situation or message. A critic, artist, or cynic might only see the technique, but the people on the street likely got the message. Renick Renick Bell http://the3rd2nd.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 23:12:59 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41524-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86898 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:15:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 86886 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:15:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:12:45 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian Stewart wrote: >> http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ledtouch/index.html > > LED's don't solve the camera problem, however. To solve the camera > problem you'd need to build an enormous light sensing array the same > size as the LED array. having watched the video i take it back. that's awesome. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 23:08:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41523-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84672 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:10:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 84662 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:10:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:07:56 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Jeff Han also has a video of some similar experiments using LED's that > may be the answer. What about an array of tiny LED's instead of a > projector? Is it possible to render screen images using LED arrays? > > http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ledtouch/index.html LED's don't solve the camera problem, however. To solve the camera problem you'd need to build an enormous light sensing array the same size as the LED array. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 22:04:51 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41522-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50037 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:07:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 50006 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:07:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:04:46 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I think im in love with you... Seriously, thanks for the heads up. I still think that it is only inevitable that this technology be pushed even further to not depend on the limiting technology that we have today. aLEKs On Feb 14, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Damian Stewart wrote: > aleks vasic wrote: >> Yeah, because obviously this technology wont get pushed any further, >> or refined, and will stay bulky and cumbersome. No potential >> whatsoever. Its all just a gimmick. >> On a more serious note i think you have a serious deficiency when it >> comes to foresight. > > actually, having developed and built this kind of technology myself, > here's the deal: > > it works using a phenomenon called Frustrated Total Internal > Reflection. You shine a lot of infrared light onto the edges of a > piece of glass, and the light bounces around inside the sheet of > glass, without any getting out. When a finger touches one side of the > glass, this causes light to bounce back out of the other side of the > glass behind where the finger pressed. Put an IR camera with in a > position where it can see the entire back surface of glass, and do > some blob tracking, and you've got yourself a multitouch interface. > It's pretty simple really. > > Problem is, you need a camera to be able to see the entire back > surface of the screen. Which means you need heaps of clear space > behind the scene.. Plus since it's rear-projection, you also need > enough space behind it to install a projecter. Without significantly > altering the laws of physics I can't see this changing too rapidly, > unless we figure out how to build enormous (and I mean enormous) > CCD's. > > IMO the big deal about the Jeff Han stuff is the software, not the > hardware. What's more, look closely at the video, too, and you'll > notice that, actually, the multi-touch enabled stuff is only really > used for zooming. Almost everything else on the video would be > possible with a single-touch interface. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 21:59:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41521-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45767 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:01:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 45738 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:01:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:58:53 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sJAeIRgeTtOt12d7+MnvefUyCypBY3TJiiy1VF7C5ZOc857TE1LcigEmBqz9fbY2fzv7pVmSR01aIHuGA8hO2mUw5qkDqhm1TnYy7OH/CR8m6Nj09RugmacIes5gTAgxYG+oGgof3jVzO/05WABORL6VifRc0MuvkqHcsO7zebo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Jeff Han also has a video of some similar experiments using LED's that may be the answer. What about an array of tiny LED's instead of a projector? Is it possible to render screen images using LED arrays? http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ledtouch/index.html ~Kyle On 2/14/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > aleks vasic wrote: > > Yeah, because obviously this technology wont get pushed any further, or > > refined, and will stay bulky and cumbersome. No potential whatsoever. > > Its all just a gimmick. > > > > On a more serious note i think you have a serious deficiency when it > > comes to foresight. > > actually, having developed and built this kind of technology myself, > here's the deal: > > it works using a phenomenon called Frustrated Total Internal Reflection. > You shine a lot of infrared light onto the edges of a piece of glass, > and the light bounces around inside the sheet of glass, without any > getting out. When a finger touches one side of the glass, this causes > light to bounce back out of the other side of the glass behind where the > finger pressed. Put an IR camera with in a position where it can see the > entire back surface of glass, and do some blob tracking, and you've got > yourself a multitouch interface. It's pretty simple really. > > Problem is, you need a camera to be able to see the entire back surface > of the screen. Which means you need heaps of clear space behind the > scene.. Plus since it's rear-projection, you also need enough space > behind it to install a projecter. Without significantly altering the > laws of physics I can't see this changing too rapidly, unless we figure > out how to build enormous (and I mean enormous) CCD's. > > IMO the big deal about the Jeff Han stuff is the software, not the > hardware. What's more, look closely at the video, too, and you'll notice > that, actually, the multi-touch enabled stuff is only really used for > zooming. Almost everything else on the video would be possible with a > single-touch interface. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 21:51:05 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41520-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41423 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:53:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 41412 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:53:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:50:50 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx aleks vasic wrote: > Yeah, because obviously this technology wont get pushed any further, or > refined, and will stay bulky and cumbersome. No potential whatsoever. > Its all just a gimmick. > > On a more serious note i think you have a serious deficiency when it > comes to foresight. actually, having developed and built this kind of technology myself, here's the deal: it works using a phenomenon called Frustrated Total Internal Reflection. You shine a lot of infrared light onto the edges of a piece of glass, and the light bounces around inside the sheet of glass, without any getting out. When a finger touches one side of the glass, this causes light to bounce back out of the other side of the glass behind where the finger pressed. Put an IR camera with in a position where it can see the entire back surface of glass, and do some blob tracking, and you've got yourself a multitouch interface. It's pretty simple really. Problem is, you need a camera to be able to see the entire back surface of the screen. Which means you need heaps of clear space behind the scene.. Plus since it's rear-projection, you also need enough space behind it to install a projecter. Without significantly altering the laws of physics I can't see this changing too rapidly, unless we figure out how to build enormous (and I mean enormous) CCD's. IMO the big deal about the Jeff Han stuff is the software, not the hardware. What's more, look closely at the video, too, and you'll notice that, actually, the multi-touch enabled stuff is only really used for zooming. Almost everything else on the video would be possible with a single-touch interface. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 20:09:55 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41519-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87438 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:12:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 87425 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:12:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: Cooptrol <xxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Been trying to unsubscribe In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxx.xxx.xx.xx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Been trying to unsubscribe but mails keep coming... Kim please.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 19:48:59 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41518-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 75287 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:51:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 75274 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:51:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:48:44 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Nice. I love Momus' writings (and music). "The Field Recordings Festival bans music, but music software allows it to re-enter by the back door." That's brilliant! But then I'm a follower of the "algorhythmic" way, so I shouldn't speak. Ciao -- Frank > On 2/14/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72705-0.html?tw=wn_index_20 > > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 18:39:17 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41517-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36273 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:41:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 36262 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:41:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:39:06 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the tool has become the message In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c1qnNDPhZCb3S+Zo+nckdT8skOrSNdwwgM86a9qfAclBtqIcYcAs2YcQTSllzSBwDG9yG7LHZtqtZ1RZQY3n3L9e9+n7VvsEONSHr5aEphu8Vg7jeoY2z+m4X8r7TdUVd4zcOFNzpcLm+74Mzd3UY9S2ThdrvIi09srpG+9KG7E= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Nice. I love Momus' writings (and music). ~Kyle On 2/14/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72705-0.html?tw=wn_index_20 -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 18:38:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41516-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35251 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:41:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 35238 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:41:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:38:24 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: 8J2azdkVM1lZau9a9e.6_8MP.8OUJqVaF4TwFUnHwRoPEjW0CpYFzYs0lIE4N9F_iWGp2E00Y6uCn2TYVFub._M8q4SBoLTytmiegBK8q3G5rsf2Xasy0HKHPKcZWidtm1J19Qpg3KpcCSM- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yea nice article.. read that awhile back.. the moral of the story is.. keep your mind on your money and your money on your mind... or learn how to tune your own damn tube amps for fun and profit... or never trust a record label exec no matter how long their pony tail is. -adrian ..keeping the pimp hand strong.. --- Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hallo, > Xdugef hat gesagt: // Xdugef wrote: > > > If Steve Jobs was president would there be iphones in every pot? > > If Steve Albini[1] was president would there be pot in every iphone? > > [1]: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 18:19:05 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41515-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23566 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:21:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 23556 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:21:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:18:45 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] the tool has become the message To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_M0gPbtW3RXQ6FukVXR/jGw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_M0gPbtW3RXQ6FukVXR/jGw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72705-0.html?tw=wn_index_20 --Boundary_(ID_M0gPbtW3RXQ6FukVXR/jGw)-- From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 17:57:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41514-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7852 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:59:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 7837 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:59:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:57:01 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Tl6DIGNZvV7ktg/dmBs3uA0pkvuo7stmgIkC4c9kQINKh/5JHEUG6i2ZmXahddJ8mRPa4f6GAfUnM92Bwng5H41GjV7pS9fMtSyoSlg9wd28xslhGdPSTJIoRe1gPkfkSUdtq0uh2v705c9k8F61fy/oI6KR4zt7gtpwG4YVQ9Y= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hah, I don't know what that has to do with ganja, but that's a great little essay. ~Kyle On 2/14/07, Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Hallo, > Xdugef hat gesagt: // Xdugef wrote: > > > If Steve Jobs was president would there be iphones in every pot? > > If Steve Albini[1] was president would there be pot in every iphone? > > [1]: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 17:12:16 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41513-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76897 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:14:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 76886 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:14:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:11:56 +0100 From: Frank Barknecht <xxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mail-followup-to: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hallo, Xdugef hat gesagt: // Xdugef wrote: > If Steve Jobs was president would there be iphones in every pot? If Steve Albini[1] was president would there be pot in every iphone? [1]: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 14:54:53 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41512-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10138 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:57:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 10126 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:57:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:54:53 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Seriously? :) aLEKs On Feb 14, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Hah! At first I thought you were serious. > > ~Kyle > > On 2/14/07, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> Yeah, because obviously this technology wont get pushed any further, >> or >> refined, and will stay bulky and cumbersome. No potential whatsoever. >> Its all just a gimmick. >> >> On a more serious note i think you have a serious deficiency when it >> comes to foresight. >> >> >> aLEKs >> >> On Feb 13, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Scott Carver wrote: >> >> > If this is the same technology that Han has been working with in the >> > past (and it looks like it), it's nothing to get /too/ excited >> about. >> > It requires enough space behind the screen to rear project, and >> mount >> > a camera, making it pretty bulky to set up (and obviously completely >> > non-portable). But, it's cool and relatively easy to build - anyone >> > who wants a similar kind of touch screen interface for an installed >> > artwork should definitely check out his research. >> > >> > - Scott Carver >> > >> > Graham Miller wrote: >> >> http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ >> >> >> >> insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! >> >> >> >> g. >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> > website: http://www.microsound.org >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> >> > > > -- > > http://theradioproject.com > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 14:48:41 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41511-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6259 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:51:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 6242 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:51:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:48:31 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I2r+VVmvCU8If3XtdlHOlA8BOgXJB5/MFWeIrC35rc8DuGs2CH24rRCq5Yvn/FRu+FFj8vdGT0WYMHTqWNhuQ6XfsiUBGv8rJX+V2HNqL10vhGaJg083UD5eSdhcLzigx2+P/U3gHaNUHFLGREYxc0MC0LPAnKSGfyN03HELhh4= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hah! At first I thought you were serious. ~Kyle On 2/14/07, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Yeah, because obviously this technology wont get pushed any further, or > refined, and will stay bulky and cumbersome. No potential whatsoever. > Its all just a gimmick. > > On a more serious note i think you have a serious deficiency when it > comes to foresight. > > > aLEKs > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > > > If this is the same technology that Han has been working with in the > > past (and it looks like it), it's nothing to get /too/ excited about. > > It requires enough space behind the screen to rear project, and mount > > a camera, making it pretty bulky to set up (and obviously completely > > non-portable). But, it's cool and relatively easy to build - anyone > > who wants a similar kind of touch screen interface for an installed > > artwork should definitely check out his research. > > > > - Scott Carver > > > > Graham Miller wrote: > >> http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ > >> > >> insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! > >> > >> g. > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > >> website: http://www.microsound.org > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > > website: http://www.microsound.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 14:37:56 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41510-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1666 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:40:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 1655 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:40:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:37:52 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Yeah, because obviously this technology wont get pushed any further, or refined, and will stay bulky and cumbersome. No potential whatsoever. Its all just a gimmick. On a more serious note i think you have a serious deficiency when it comes to foresight. aLEKs On Feb 13, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > If this is the same technology that Han has been working with in the > past (and it looks like it), it's nothing to get /too/ excited about. > It requires enough space behind the screen to rear project, and mount > a camera, making it pretty bulky to set up (and obviously completely > non-portable). But, it's cool and relatively easy to build - anyone > who wants a similar kind of touch screen interface for an installed > artwork should definitely check out his research. > > - Scott Carver > > Graham Miller wrote: >> http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ >> >> insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! >> >> g. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 11:54:37 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41509-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:54:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39450 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:57:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 39440 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:57:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:54:29 +0000 From: cathy <x.xxxx@xxx.xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: [microsound] Clickanywhere new online exhibition To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7kAWx4gUVAZ2yWUz2zqjtw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_7kAWx4gUVAZ2yWUz2zqjtw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit //*/Clickanywhere /* 6-8pm, 21 February 2007 Research Gallery, 12th Floor, Tower Block, London College of Communication, Elephant and Castle, London, SE1 6SB An online gallery dedicated to the sonic arts will be launch on Wednesday 21st February 2007 at an exhibition entitled Clickanywhere. The exhibition will bring together work from ten diverse artists to produce a series of sonic experiences. The exhibition includes work by Vicki Bennett, Richard Brautigan, Clare Gasson, Jörg Köppl, Johannes Maier, David Mollin, Douglas Park, Seth Price, Alex Smalley and Rob Stone. Clickanywhere is the first of a series of online, curated exhibitions to be commissioned by CRiSAP. The exhibition will be available online after the launch. For more information please go to http://www.crisap.org/newsite/ index.php?events or contact Nadine on x.xxxxxx@xxx.xxxx.xx.xx or on 020 7514 6617. CRiSAP is a research unit dedicated to the exploration of the rich complexities of sound as an artistic practice. CRiSAP aims to produce, commission and curate new work and invigorate the interpretative context that surrounds sound art and performance. --Boundary_(ID_7kAWx4gUVAZ2yWUz2zqjtw)-- From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 05:39:01 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41508-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7591 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:41:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 7579 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:41:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:38:49 +1300 From: Dugal McKinnon <xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1F907B9.58CD%xxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxx.xx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] iConsume Thread-index: AcdP+mbkpVJgoLvtEdunAAAKlcfhBA== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Apple's 'iconsume' confirms this: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/47228/ With some rebuttals and clarifications here: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/47524/ On 14/2/07 2:01 PM, "Graham Miller" <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/apple_hard_at_work_making > > just found this:) > > g. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 01:01:42 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41507-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 83288 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:04:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 83271 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:03:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:01:23 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iConsume In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxxxx> <000601c740bd$acccfba0$xxxxxxxx@xxxxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/apple_hard_at_work_making just found this:) g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 00:38:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41506-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71984 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:40:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 71974 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:40:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:37:41 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx i thought the framing of that video was a little suspicious... and all that darkness around screen... On 13-Feb-07, at 7:04 PM, Scott Carver wrote: > If this is the same technology that Han has been working with in > the past (and it looks like it), it's nothing to get /too/ excited > about. It requires enough space behind the screen to rear project, > and mount a camera, making it pretty bulky to set up (and obviously > completely non-portable). But, it's cool and relatively easy to > build - anyone who wants a similar kind of touch screen interface > for an installed artwork should definitely check out his research. > > - Scott Carver > > Graham Miller wrote: >> http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ >> >> insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! >> >> g. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 14 00:05:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41505-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57592 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:06:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 57534 invoked from network); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:06:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:04:05 -0800 From: Scott Carver <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Score: 1 (FORGED_RCVD_HELO) X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (Macintosh/20061213) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If this is the same technology that Han has been working with in the past (and it looks like it), it's nothing to get /too/ excited about. It requires enough space behind the screen to rear project, and mount a camera, making it pretty bulky to set up (and obviously completely non-portable). But, it's cool and relatively easy to build - anyone who wants a similar kind of touch screen interface for an installed artwork should definitely check out his research. - Scott Carver Graham Miller wrote: > http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ > > insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! > > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 13 21:36:58 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41504-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.86]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 80901 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:39:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 80890 invoked from network); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:39:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:36:51 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Amen... aLEKs On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > yes. the potential applications for new forms of pornography are > really quite outstanding:) > > On 13-Feb-07, at 2:49 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: > >> being somewhat jaded i usually don't get excited about this stuff.... >> but this is friggin' cool. >> b >> >> On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Graham Miller wrote: >> >>> http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 13 20:00:28 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41503-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32829 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:02:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 32806 invoked from network); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:02:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:00:05 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QHF4sDTQGBGnP7AJmnF5a9PFaz0mWfRFiuooIuXycQnY794Opfw4bVismmNjlnj0X86QU79B9kjC6xpT1KLHscFEo5aZGrMKJHoSH77QVljV5p8yGlSJycxUxoIYCUbxI9h9FVzPT3uKGoate2im48CMPmuNZ20mUdysQyFA2ZI= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/13/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ > insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! Eloy Anzola <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> posted this back on August 22: http://youtube.com/watch?v=PLhMVNdplJc A little more about Jeff: http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ But it's one of those things that I think we can dig up now and then for folks who missed it the first time. -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 13 19:52:08 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41502-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28774 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:54:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 28762 invoked from network); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:54:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:51:52 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx yes. the potential applications for new forms of pornography are really quite outstanding:) On 13-Feb-07, at 2:49 PM, bruce tovsky wrote: > being somewhat jaded i usually don't get excited about this stuff.... > but this is friggin' cool. > b > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > >> http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ >> >> insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! >> >> g. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >> website: http://www.microsound.org >> > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go > away." > Philip K. Dick > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 13 19:49:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41501-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.100]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta29.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27132 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:51:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 27121 invoked from network); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:51:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:49:14 -0500 From: bruce tovsky <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qeRBugTE1oWpFalHq/50aw)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qeRBugTE1oWpFalHq/50aw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit being somewhat jaded i usually don't get excited about this stuff.... but this is friggin' cool. b On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ > > insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! > > g. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick --Boundary_(ID_qeRBugTE1oWpFalHq/50aw)-- From ???@??? Tue Feb 13 19:36:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41500-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20450 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:38:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 20426 invoked from network); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:38:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:36:13 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] forget the iPhone... i'm getting this: To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/12/more-multitouch-from-jeff-han/ insane touchscreen technology right out of minority report! g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Tue Feb 13 13:06:15 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41499-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43442 invoked by uid 1095); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:08:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 43423 invoked from network); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:08:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:03:40 +0100 From: robbert van hulzen <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Re: cultural production in a post-oil economy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1F767AC.38D6%xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx michel waisvisz is working on this. small concerts, low volumes, and he's looking into growing his own speakers. you may be able to find out more through steim: www.steim.nl cheers, robbert Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > any thoughts? opinions? view on how electronic (and all forms of > music) will look and feel in a post-oil economy? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Feb 12 10:38:49 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41498-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23339 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:41:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 23305 invoked from network); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:41:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitri Soubochev <xxxxxx_xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.7 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.7 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BKr/wJxRPScYZX3SidF70w)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=DmUzt/rXVO2EBE68fJDj6CU786+Fjc6isXjuihF1LTtlK5nZZRXOyN/ATKAuRQtMQYPguRl1ObIS/Hhtd6lQ4c3vgLR2We3q+xavb318EEpzR2WandhgZLWEBfxNuOu2OkaOqoWjPx3j+sqPry7bjWF9P8vsezhJdNw0aYUC2Qc=; X-YMail-OSG: ahfIuuEVM1kSfKz49ZlFTM_OLy9LbejhYqoo6fhOSQT1LC2XhwlXzjbBd_DrDoO6bGV7KKr.AcYgwf6iZ.1cSvm380UrE_JDxoKmvhy6ARO8Ggonu_BuJ7BZX3.DhP0PW_1rCQYKCaiQ2zw- X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_BKr/wJxRPScYZX3SidF70w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What if?...Maybe! :) ----- Original Message ---- From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:26:43 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy John Nowak wrote on 2/11/07 at 6:31 PM >With how the world is nowadays, who says we'll even make it to the >post-oil economy? Have we really ruled out nuclear holocaust? There >are a thousand interesting ways for civilization as we know it to >end. I'm going to keep programming. Amen, John! <http://web.media.mit.edu/~nvawter/projects/SynthFromNothin/index.html> best, <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail --Boundary_(ID_BKr/wJxRPScYZX3SidF70w)-- From ???@??? Mon Feb 12 01:27:12 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41497-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89157 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:29:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 89119 invoked from network); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:29:10 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:26:43 -0500 From: vze26m98 <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <r02010500-1048-192BDBB1BA3811DB8CA2000D932C0D78@[192.168.1.105]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Nowak wrote on 2/11/07 at 6:31 PM >With how the world is nowadays, who says we'll even make it to the >post-oil economy? Have we really ruled out nuclear holocaust? There >are a thousand interesting ways for civilization as we know it to >end. I'm going to keep programming. Amen, John! <http://web.media.mit.edu/~nvawter/projects/SynthFromNothin/index.html> best, <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Feb 12 00:59:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41496-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 77596 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:01:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 77577 invoked from network); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:01:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:59:00 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hphfXH5G2LjHXPK8UFywOhesu0qVTVxBS1xUk0/zyf99IVX86XsEs5DsvUXbDvBafVbQJ6zc3Ve/BhCW6pjraZTdfZTEgx68+bRTOxK2YGVnHHfwAeOsBK90QJ1gxh4vZSO5/p4K8Zu+nT6GzndkwnqP4/a5EoURTLc1zzUSVd0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/11/07, Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote: > this is the > kind of power consumption it might be feasible to draw from an array of > solar panels. Or people on treadmills, exercise bikes, elliptical trainers, etc.? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Feb 12 00:47:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41495-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72153 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:49:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 72141 invoked from network); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:49:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:46:44 +1300 From: Damian Stewart <xxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxxx.xx.xx> Organization: frey MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx John Nowak wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > >> On 2/10/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> >>> any thoughts? opinions? view on how electronic (and all forms of >>> music) will look and feel in a post-oil economy? >> >> This is why I've been playing more guitar lately. > > With how the world is nowadays, who says we'll even make it to the > post-oil economy? Have we really ruled out nuclear holocaust? There are > a thousand interesting ways for civilization as we know it to end. I'm > going to keep programming. the other alternative is to move artistic practices away from power hungry devices and toward low-voltage low-power things. i'm currently building an RGB controllable LED lighting system that puts out an enormous amount of light from a single 500mA 15V DC supply - this is the kind of power consumption it might be feasible to draw from an array of solar panels. with the proliferation of cellphones, portal media devices, and just portable digital electronics in general, the last few years have seen an explosion in the availability of sophisticated digital devices, including microprocessors, designed to operate on a tiny amount of power. moving towards a solar- or wind-powered digital art practise not only makes environmental sense, it also makes futureproof sense, and even aesthetic sense as well. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 11 23:31:31 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41494-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37014 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:33:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 36998 invoked from network); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:33:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:31:11 -0500 From: John Nowak <xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090209.45CFA745.00E6,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.125/2006-10-10 X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > On 2/10/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > >> any thoughts? opinions? view on how electronic (and all forms of >> music) will look and feel in a post-oil economy? > > This is why I've been playing more guitar lately. With how the world is nowadays, who says we'll even make it to the post-oil economy? Have we really ruled out nuclear holocaust? There are a thousand interesting ways for civilization as we know it to end. I'm going to keep programming. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 11 23:21:30 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41493-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32446 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:23:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 32434 invoked from network); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:23:40 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:21:17 -0500 From: Hector Centeno <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rWOkWrQuUxgCLaEGp82E+yJzF/9lYljuSZvYp4VNoy2VdgD+g9YOgoPtmj1PwsRZ74+4QtgXVpTdE9YTAJJVUWayIdbpR5vm1jPO+jhJQL1JUi35GLurCeil+LMeGV8ear5BftkskSiwgxSNcAS6Nn4hXiAzRaFlsDlcPNkyhBo= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx HI all (my first post in this list), I posted a message with similar concerns in the CEC-Conference mailing list. The responses I got showed that some people felt offended and others sympathetic. The way I addressed this issue was expressing my own mixed feelings about being an electroacoustic music composer: on one hand I have this wonderful sound universe that opens thanks to sound technology and which presents all this new possibilities for artistic expression, but on the other hand there are the environmental and sustainability issues related to producing such technology. Electronic music is completely based on technological developments which are quite complex (going from the extraction of the raw natural resources and passing through the design, manufacturing, transportation, assembling and selling of electronic components and devices) so I would say that this kind of artistic creation it's one of the artistic "voices" of this big human achievement (which has behind the research, work and intelligence of many people). So the problem is: will this form of artistic expression survive the sustainability issues that such technology is facing? Is it worth to continue investing our time and efforts cultivating such art? Should I just drop my computer and start cultivating the art of performing a non-electronic instrument? Let's say we are already in a post-oil economy, If I keep my computer and run it using solar cells but then the video card crashes, there will be a local computer retailer to sell me a new one? How can we adapt the whole technology industry so we can have electronic devices not only available but also affordable for a musician to use? Hector On 2/10/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://alternet.org/envirohealth/47705/ > > interesting article which my wife forwarded to me earlier today > I found his point on 'canned entertainment' very interesting > (although I find his analysis naive and reductionist overall) > > but I thought this might make for a good list discussion > > here is his view on culture production: > > > 7. The age of canned entertainment is coming to and end. It was fun > > for a while. We liked "Citizen Kane" and the Beatles. But we're > > going to have to make our own music and our own drama down the > > road. We're going to need playhouses and live performance halls. > > We're going to need violin and banjo players and playwrights and > > scenery-makers, and singers. We'll need theater managers and stage- > > hands. The Internet is not going to save canned entertainment. The > > Internet will not work so well if the electricity is on the fritz > > half the time (or more). > > any thoughts? opinions? view on how electronic (and all forms of > music) will look and feel in a post-oil economy? > > -- =============================== http://www.hcenteno.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 11 17:27:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41492-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55039 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:29:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 55028 invoked from network); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:29:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:27:10 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Uyf51m9qWiZT/7GlYXXN3rTyYj6C3ROhLX86kpf28vMxxLZJYFSiMGvJVrnSQbR0fLQxqjuLesnhPRFX5ukuES7BwitAH7nKFfp0XZhpSnSCIM2lu+LiMgxZiIsp1vM0VlwAdZ6sJ1qKAm5sXeg+yhiFYKUjGEdZwGzHuIowgfg= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx This is why I've been playing more guitar lately. ;-) ~Kyle On 2/10/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > http://alternet.org/envirohealth/47705/ > > interesting article which my wife forwarded to me earlier today > I found his point on 'canned entertainment' very interesting > (although I find his analysis naive and reductionist overall) > > but I thought this might make for a good list discussion > > here is his view on culture production: > > > 7. The age of canned entertainment is coming to and end. It was fun > > for a while. We liked "Citizen Kane" and the Beatles. But we're > > going to have to make our own music and our own drama down the > > road. We're going to need playhouses and live performance halls. > > We're going to need violin and banjo players and playwrights and > > scenery-makers, and singers. We'll need theater managers and stage- > > hands. The Internet is not going to save canned entertainment. The > > Internet will not work so well if the electricity is on the fritz > > half the time (or more). > > any thoughts? opinions? view on how electronic (and all forms of > music) will look and feel in a post-oil economy? > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 11 01:07:35 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41491-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6170 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:09:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 6160 invoked from network); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:09:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:07:24 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: EMaeI_0VM1nE_B0vA2lBDJ2cYHS.SlT6igWF5ht61hlrBEcr2YSZyU.mZP5NIBFR3uUJsW_bCAaTpR2R_yC6jPQSUg7FlW4V4RnNq4Yz7_vZTun9.uXEJy.FVzUgEUNxWFYezlXdMbBNkLg- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --- Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > Internet will not work so well if the electricity is on the fritz > > half the time (or more). If this was the case and electricity was on the fritz half the time or more this item would be the least of anybodies concerns. Time to breakout the victrola. Anyway during the apocalypse I'd recommend a violin concerto. On a serious note.. what would happen? I imagine radio would become popular again as the infrastructure more or less would remain as it is and towers can be run autonomously from a variety of compact power sources. Receivers can be run off of very little electricity. The main impact on electronic music would be the shift from electronic distribution to prior methods and perhaps more interest in a variety of live performances.. at the cost of a door charge consiting of a pints of vegetable oil to run the deisel generator off of. -AD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 11 00:42:36 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41490-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.111]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta17.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94887 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:44:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 94876 invoked from network); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:44:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:42:22 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] cultural production in a post-oil economy To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ug3ZvShLOaeRLzhqT2u2tQ)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_ug3ZvShLOaeRLzhqT2u2tQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://alternet.org/envirohealth/47705/ interesting article which my wife forwarded to me earlier today I found his point on 'canned entertainment' very interesting (although I find his analysis naive and reductionist overall) but I thought this might make for a good list discussion here is his view on culture production: > 7. The age of canned entertainment is coming to and end. It was fun > for a while. We liked "Citizen Kane" and the Beatles. But we're > going to have to make our own music and our own drama down the > road. We're going to need playhouses and live performance halls. > We're going to need violin and banjo players and playwrights and > scenery-makers, and singers. We'll need theater managers and stage- > hands. The Internet is not going to save canned entertainment. The > Internet will not work so well if the electricity is on the fritz > half the time (or more). any thoughts? opinions? view on how electronic (and all forms of music) will look and feel in a post-oil economy? --Boundary_(ID_ug3ZvShLOaeRLzhqT2u2tQ)-- From ???@??? Fri Feb 9 05:56:14 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41489-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29071 invoked by uid 1095); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:58:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 29057 invoked from network); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:58:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:55:30 +1100 From: xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx Subject: [microsound] Wayne Smart is out of the office. To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Rvbl5ohIr5gbAm6eNCTdkw)" Content-disposition: inline X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DMMail/CORP(653HF252|January 07, 2005) at 09/02/2007 04:55:49 PM Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_Rvbl5ohIr5gbAm6eNCTdkw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be out of the office starting 09/02/2007 and will not return until 12/02/2007. I will respond to your message when I return. DTAE CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER The information in this transmission may be confidential and/or protected by legal professional privilege, and is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. If you are not such a person, you are warned that any disclosure, copying or dissemination of the information is unauthorised. If you have received the transmission in error, please immediately contact this office by telephone, fax or email, to inform us of the error and to enable arrangements to be made for the destruction of the transmission, or its return at our cost. No liability is accepted for any unauthorised use of the information contained in this transmission. --Boundary_(ID_Rvbl5ohIr5gbAm6eNCTdkw)-- From ???@??? Thu Feb 8 20:21:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41488-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74989 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:23:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 74979 invoked from network); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:23:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:21:09 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: w_uwXMIVM1nyafwhxIJs_7AYIsppgsfTvW3t8POi X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Right and he'd be an iPresident in the iHouse. --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 2/8/07, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > If Steve Jobs was president would there be iphones in every pot? > > Yes (except they'd be iPots). > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 8 20:03:44 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41487-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.183]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta22.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 61496 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:05:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 61445 invoked from network); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:05:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:03:12 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kVrHUIQUUYthhJZx0iLj3OtqOB6JFO3ppefDZE5XMLzxnfpgwJ0YCOidpKZdjugTykyWQNaoMycD6VcqeyssM8dk0E6GambTSSIgYzYCXNze5drLkO1uzQf7nEvLf/yltRmkgvBeCQfT1UOQb9HF9iQX5WhBNi/7og7c1J2wVfs= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/8/07, Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > If Steve Jobs was president would there be iphones in every pot? Yes (except they'd be iPots). -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 8 19:52:04 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41486-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.110]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48662 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:53:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 48640 invoked from network); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:53:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: Az5HXS4VM1lO4V4BBwEJUqQNCRZ6np1JgE6hgXD3evw4XReh207C8c_JAersOKYrXngp8SOH72DkJVZJbCHRvdyfBfhGB7RdjWC8_S4cpt5IqkURSJGmHjV3P7WBBUe9amoGjZrFwda2OIg- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx If Steve Jobs was president would there be iphones in every pot? --- Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 2/8/07, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > > Don't you people get it? He is the everything man. :) > > You mean Steve Jobs is really this guy? > > http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Man-Jimmy-Castor-Bunch/dp/B0000033OM > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 8 14:55:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41485-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.184]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta23.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 66710 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:57:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 66697 invoked from network); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:57:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:54:02 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=piYcQ9P2WNVUs8nYugeAtz6gdmhI8lfIeYDVDmOJYM5AY+r+BDG1udihbzOeOQ4vZ/kVX2gAKYAF3PvAw/e4bzcU/icQTJ7l49y7BogokiNNsbahyDzuLQEZsJ98xDYw6jUyyxMVH8KwmtBS6qBXAoviQKps0C/KmA3zU38rDS0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/8/07, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > Don't you people get it? He is the everything man. :) You mean Steve Jobs is really this guy? http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Man-Jimmy-Castor-Bunch/dp/B0000033OM -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 8 14:44:13 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41484-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60437 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:46:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 60423 invoked from network); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:46:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:44:07 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Don't you people get it? He is the everything man. :) aLEKs On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Milan Davidovic wrote: > On 2/7/07, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6337275.stm > > How about movies? He's still The Pixar Guy too, isn't he? > > -- > Milan Davidovic > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 8 05:07:34 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41483-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.83]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62418 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 05:09:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 62407 invoked from network); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 05:09:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:08:39 -0800 From: Robert Arnold <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Imaginary Recordings In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <p06200702c1f0605d177d@[192.168.0.3]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YY1j4+r1cALw9LVWprCzWA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_YY1j4+r1cALw9LVWprCzWA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.wfmu.org/~jhhl/Best/ Clever. Amusing. Possibly inspirational. R. -- -- Website: http://www.warbaby.com (Currently undergoing an overhaul. Some pages and links may not work yet.) Blog: http://raggedwings.blogspot.com/ (Not much there yet. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe next week.) Nifty Stuff: http://www.cafepress.com/warbaby -- "When the government no longer trusts the people, it should dissolve them and elect a new people." - Bertolt Brecht --Boundary_(ID_YY1j4+r1cALw9LVWprCzWA)-- From ???@??? Wed Feb 7 22:56:00 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41482-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.112]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99885 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:57:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 99869 invoked from network); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:57:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:55:41 -0500 From: Milan Davidovic <xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QjE88/hHwdeGwhTVTNeetnElRfoc8cyC0EvNHN4iz3nC/1vRAfGzpMyqthZ7+VHrV64vwhS+PbKqO4uKkqgjB1/N4SPouYCePCIONuwgwApyG0JPv9xsLUfXUMg9y2LEtY5BEtxfXi02Bc7Mgftei0IU7sVauUB35+zBU73Y3QM= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/7/07, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6337275.stm How about movies? He's still The Pixar Guy too, isn't he? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 7 22:49:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41481-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.185]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95667 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:50:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 95594 invoked from network); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:50:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:48:37 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx steve jobs for emperor of the known universe! On 7-Feb-07, at 9:30 AM, aleks vasic wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6337275.stm > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 7 17:48:09 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41480-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35597 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:49:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 35394 invoked from network); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:49:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:47:13 -0800 From: Ryan Dunn <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] Disjunct video paintings In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx "Impartial Analysis": Disjunct presents eight videos, twelve audio tracks, and forty combinations thereof: wander through video paintings adjusted and confronted by the imposition of sounds consciously altering the meaning to be gleaned from these luscious loops. Each audio track is identified by a prefix or suffix, left or right audio, while each video is identified by a root. Each of thirty-two words presents a distinct eye on subtle shifts created through association. Perfect for studied contemplation or the transformation of a dull unused televison or monitor into a dynamic painting, Disjunct presents a transcendent and transitory object to transform your world. These paintings involve a variety of techniques, while both the video and audio content are approached from oppositional means: half via glitching electronics, and the other half via 'glitching' the material world. Intending to access the possibility of painting in moving form, these revolving pieces are intended for the discretion of an active viewer, as opposed to the passive (yet captive) viewing experience of the cinema. http://www.disjunct.net/ia ---------- Sorry if this is OT, but I thought perhaps this would be a group that might appreciate the work. -Ryan Dunn liscentric.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 7 14:43:23 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41479-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27335 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:45:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 27324 invoked from network); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:45:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:43:11 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=daBlRlY30xtFoYk0Wg+XcIRVX0J089eUbpZxftxo1icNobmDWEladPScNs7Y0CRF9AGhwfKcrmu+lwSrUOXXuV8iRn4VEXVKXhVm/LuUY0ozlJWrsX73jYYRG7iw9naOr0yQN3gMG3gVqh+N0fb2RlrWfK3b9jS+i86Iaq0bi7c= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx And, to quote the original source: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ ~Kyle On 2/7/07, aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6337275.stm > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Wed Feb 7 14:30:39 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41478-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18374 invoked by uid 1095); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:32:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 18364 invoked from network); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:32:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:30:22 -0500 From: aleks vasic <xxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] hmmm... In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6337275.stm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Mon Feb 5 17:19:18 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41477-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 63928 invoked by uid 1095); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:20:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 63917 invoked from network); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:20:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:18:53 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] [ot] favor To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx I'm conducting a workshop in Vancouver this week and a colleague needs to get a hold of an Intel Mac this week to test a Max/MSP external he wrote can someone in Vancouver with a Mactel laptop give me a shout asap? contact me OFFLIST xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx danke! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 4 18:48:45 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41476-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.98]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta27.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 82587 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:50:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 82576 invoked from network); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:50:16 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:48:34 -0600 From: Kyle Klipowicz <xxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] iPod redux In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mXT88GBMwPjbm/rxKKqSgq7+nTCLqNL8WbRIOj3Pr1ecMSUcctAhBrKcx7FO6Wa0rmw2Pu95C9E0s+9u4fAxU8+MzPnt22tjWhbYhaX8lEPaAxxGvuxY279pGK3uydVBnVdBroJTCe4Cch43CCgk7ZYWfrjw4b0LyPcC8zl3LBU= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Hahaha that was great. ~Kyle On 2/4/07, Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I take it all back > the iPod marketing is starting to work its magic on me: > http://www.mac-essentials.de/index.php/mac/article/18677/ > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sun Feb 4 18:42:43 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41475-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.81]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79201 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:44:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 79191 invoked from network); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:44:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:42:28 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] iPod redux To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AWAmZnPuiIW/YMh20qlM9Q)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_AWAmZnPuiIW/YMh20qlM9Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I take it all back the iPod marketing is starting to work its magic on me: http://www.mac-essentials.de/index.php/mac/article/18677/ --Boundary_(ID_AWAmZnPuiIW/YMh20qlM9Q)-- From ???@??? Sun Feb 4 06:38:22 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41474-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 01:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 01:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20798 invoked by uid 1095); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 06:39:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 20787 invoked from network); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 06:39:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:37:32 -0800 From: "p. hendricks" <xx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the continuum controller In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <C1EABF2C.2803A%xx@xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Thread-topic: [microsound] the continuum controller Thread-index: AcdIJvKhMXVciLQaEduuKAANkzE3GA== X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx On 2/2/07 7:32 PM, "David Powers" <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > I don't know of much along those lines, actually. Does it exist? of course nothing like a continuum, but here's a cheap and useful DIY ribbon controller: http://muffwiggler.blogspot.com/2007/01/diy-ribbon-controller-in-15-minutes. html or directly, here: http://asmidius.googlepages.com/home don't do diy? Doepfer has a very nice one, with midi also if you prefer: http://www.doepfer.de/R2M.htm best, pH --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Feb 3 03:59:20 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41473-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.82]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 97744 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:00:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 97734 invoked from network); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:00:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:59:09 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the continuum controller In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: r0HBdfcVM1lV7X9qpy1zXUmrQyj8krssNSZTIMuGM.ZjNiYs74OonjQRF4h.bJDOi02P0MEqq6XSUpLj4YGNVUvt..HYvnVSQ6xGsWe1h1HZ3GEF0SteEjTk3rnANNaOdVqk65V_t5_pZ.U- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx used wacom tablets? --- David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > But I'm much more > interested in people finding ways to take technology that is cheap > and > readily available, and turn that into some crazy musical instrument - > hopefully with software that is also free. > > I don't know of much along those lines, actually. Does it exist? (I > guess maybe there's a couple things out there for PD and gamepad...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Feb 3 03:33:07 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41472-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.186]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 87202 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:34:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 87191 invoked from network); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:34:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:32:52 -0600 From: David Powers <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] the continuum controller In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AmeMoZvPlMnjkQIqyaOipCAMet68O1fkDr+uPu7ULRewgf40HlQxwLzL8zy0HokgT775cxQbC2Tku25VFpekbkJ7Sg7Ae8zp55tsTm3ClB+aYsHcLaGk5x7O5XcaiKIcaw5ZGc2PwsrFK/IsgaHPIZWA5fHg5Aa5+jnn5Zx1MHQ= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N References: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx It's cool, but I'm poor, and any instrument that costs $3390 for the half size version is not going to be a part of my life anytime soon. I'm sure you could do interesting things with it. But I'm much more interested in people finding ways to take technology that is cheap and readily available, and turn that into some crazy musical instrument - hopefully with software that is also free. I don't know of much along those lines, actually. Does it exist? (I guess maybe there's a couple things out there for PD and gamepad...) ~D On 2/2/07, Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote: > neat or not? > > http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Feb 3 03:18:40 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41471-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.99]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta28.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81165 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:20:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 81152 invoked from network); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:20:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:18:30 -0500 From: Graham Miller <xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> Subject: [microsound] the continuum controller To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx neat or not? http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Feb 3 02:56:24 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41470-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.114]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta20.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73470 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:57:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 73459 invoked from network); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:57:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: Xdugef <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> Subject: Re: [microsound] emotions in music In-reply-to: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> To: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx Message-id: <xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-YMail-OSG: d4OaKVoVM1k9TPDaPuSbx2MqlmCz8LECe8q4RR6qgkXmnPVmfwTNUwdN9WDDW6nrvHHFhf2fTuFxH7JtZEiMhzVaEmJK5MKckj7ezswJj50.96p3Oz.mfXX1Z6C543kLyrMRDEprP.TOfn0- X-RocketYMMF: adrian_dimond X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx The short version... https://www.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/aesthetics%20of%20music/hanslick_outline.htm http://tinyurl.com/2v5jpu -Adrian --- Tony Antoniadis <xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Damian, (and to all others interested) > > I think a good place to look for critical insights about emotions in > music is Eduard Hanslick's "On Musical Beauty." In it, he argues > that > a musical work's aesthetic value is not contingent on the degree of > emotional response it produces in the listener, but rather in the > combinations of its formal elements--tone color, dynamic shifts, > tempo, etc. (This is probably why Hanslick has fallen out of favor: > he'a a pure formalist, and he was also only able to write about > classical music and the forms that preceded it. But "On Musical > Beauty" is probably the most rigorous approach to the "problems" that > emtotions pose to our aesthetic evaluations of music, and whether a > specific kind of emotional response is necessary to music's aesthetic > value. Hanslick also uses a sort of a Kantian approach that I don't > necessarily buy into, but it's a compelling book nonetheless. > > best, > > Tony > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx > website: http://www.microsound.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Sat Feb 3 02:27:21 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41469-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.109]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60881 invoked by uid 1095); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:28:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 60871 invoked from network); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:28:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:27:13 -0500 From: Tony Antoniadis <xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] emotions in music To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LSnnzm/acibetPhhDU2NFXQPACyfX4K9qMUua2Io48L9PsIIewkZvSQ32E83iNqSkcWU+8AfNRRiGAZjDEtMYLU7LrYFo7KjLfBHkWpDr25Q1Z2e0vhSW0FsyqYWeQul1gmN/3H+EF9KwdR/rLHDKD4oWOSDoWu9ddH8VrWXUN0= X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Damian, (and to all others interested) I think a good place to look for critical insights about emotions in music is Eduard Hanslick's "On Musical Beauty." In it, he argues that a musical work's aesthetic value is not contingent on the degree of emotional response it produces in the listener, but rather in the combinations of its formal elements--tone color, dynamic shifts, tempo, etc. (This is probably why Hanslick has fallen out of favor: he'a a pure formalist, and he was also only able to write about classical music and the forms that preceded it. But "On Musical Beauty" is probably the most rigorous approach to the "problems" that emtotions pose to our aesthetic evaluations of music, and whether a specific kind of emotional response is necessary to music's aesthetic value. Hanslick also uses a sort of a Kantian approach that I don't necessarily buy into, but it's a compelling book nonetheless. best, Tony --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx For additional commands, e-mail: xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx website: http://www.microsound.org From ???@??? Thu Feb 1 21:13:06 2007 Return-path: <microsound-return-41468-vze26m98=xxxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Received: from mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.113]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mta19.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxxxxx.xx.xxx> for xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx (ORCPT xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 42988 invoked by uid 1095); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:14:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 42971 invoked from network); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:14:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:12:47 -0800 From: Kim Cascone <xxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Subject: [microsound] not meant as an announcement but... To: microsound_list <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Reply-to: microsound <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-id: <xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qSVnCjKc6QsKFHh+nBfjsA)" Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Mailing-List: contact xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; run by ezmlm List-Post: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Help: <mailto:xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> X-No-Archive: yes Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx --Boundary_(ID_qSVnCjKc6QsKFHh+nBfjsA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ccmixter.org/vieux/view/contest/sources does everyone know about this remix contest? it would be great to get some 'global glitch' piece by some microsounders download the elements and have at it --Boundary_(ID_qSVnCjKc6QsKFHh+nBfjsA)--