From Brian Mulvey Sent Tue, Mar 27th 2018, 20:51
From Brian Mulvey Sent Tue, Mar 27th 2018, 20:51
Not with analog filters though. I can=E2=80=99t think of any keyboard sample= rs with them after the E III, until the Waldorf Quantum. Correct me if i=E2=80= =99m wrong! >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Andrew Horton <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrot= e: >>=20 >> You realize there was like 20 years of samplers after the mirage, right? Y= ou can find a million fully featured insane sample synthesizers on reverb ri= ght now! >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Brent Busby <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>=20 >>> I've purchased an Ensoniq Mirage rack (not arrived yet), because I >>> wanted to experiment with my own sampled waveforms and analog filters. >>> Partially my choice of the Mirage was because of the amount of money I >>> have to spend right now, not because it was necessarily the best choice >>> for this. >>>=20 >>> I am rather disappointed by its voice architecture though. It offers >>> two oscillator (sample playback) per voice, but there is only enough >>> independant control over the pitch of the second oscillator to allow for= >>> chorus/detune type effects. There is one LFO, which can only send >>> triangle waves, and can only modulate the pitch of both oscillators. >>> (Basically it's hard wired to be a modulation wheel effect.) >>> Thankfully, the filter does have its own EG separate from the output >>> EG. It's 8-bit with playback rates as low as 8kHz, which should be >>> charaterful, and the filters are CEM chips, but still, it's awfully >>> hobbled and I would have liked more...like perhaps an SQ80 voice engine >>> where you supply your own waves. >>>=20 >>> It seems though that with sampler/synths you have to choose: You can >>> have a nice voice architecture, but digital filters, or you can have >>> analog filters and a very crude voice engine. The Korg DSS-1 is the >>> only exception I've seen, and frankly I haven't been impressed by the >>> actual sound of most of what I'm hearing in YouTube demos of it. (This >>> could very well just be the demos. I've found you have to really >>> actually have a piece of gear for at least six months to really find out= >>> anything, and I've never had a DSS-1.) But there definitely seems to be= >>> a real vacuum out there when it comes to samplers with deep voice >>> engines and real analog filters. >>>=20 >>> I've heard about an alternative third-party OS for the Mirage called >>> Sound Process that's supposed to hack in all sorts of things Ensoniq >>> never thought of, including 4-oscillator/sample per voice (sounds >>> promising), multitimbral/multitrack operation, etc...basically, some >>> keen soul with a lot of machine language coding expertise on the Mirage >>> has hacked it silly and created a whole new environment for it. The OS >>> disk is about $90 from Syntaur, so I think I'll want to check that out. >>>=20 >>> If DSI or some other manufacturer today wanted to fill a void in the >>> market that's really never been fully addressed though, not even in the >>> previous analog era in the 80's, they should make something with a >>> really good polyphonic voice engine with matrix type routing that has >>> some good analog hardware filters, but have the oscillators be sample >>> playback...preferably very low resolution sample playback, and you >>> supply the samples. To me, the problem with PPG/SQ80 style wavetable >>> has always been that they already chose the waves for me before I had a >>> chance to do anything. I want to have lots of EG's and LFO's, and have >>> analog filters, and supply my own waveforms...basically a Korg DSS-1 >>> with great tone that can interface well with modern computers over USB. >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> - Brent Busby + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >>> + With the rise of social networking >>> -- Studio -- + sites, computers are making people >>> -- Amadeus -- + easier to use every day. >>> ----------------+ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D