From A. Sent Tue, Nov 19th 2019, 17:11
From A. Sent Tue, Nov 19th 2019, 17:11
Last message directed at nobody in particular i may add. Just a brain = splurge. > On 19 Nov 2019, at 18:43, Me <xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >=20 > Just don't go on about personal stuff when i want to read about = synthesizers. I'm mainly a passive participant in these fora, but here i = draw the line and choose to have my say. Why discourage people like me = from joining in with the discourse when we may one day have something = worthwhile to contribute? I like technical things which is why i like = synthesizers. Please can we stick to the chips, electrons and art, not = the feels and ideologies. >=20 > And i'll just say this here and now: art is not inherently political. = No tricky word salad with social studies dressing will ever change that. >=20 > The great beauty of the internet is that it allows for a tabula rasa, = nobody need know anything about you that you do not wish to divulge, and = you can be valued within a social milieu purely for your input and = conduct. Jokes are such a vital part of human bonding that if one cannot = make a joke because it harms somebody's sense of their = self-identification as a necessary part of their being, then you cannot = have an honest social interaction, as people must police themselves so = as to avoid upsetting others. If someone makes a joke you don't like, = think him an ass, but let him be one. Isn't that what all these people = are asking anyway, to be allowed to choose their identity, and left = alone for doing so. Quid pro quo, no? Let me be the ass that i am, and = you go ahead and be whatever you want. Isn't that wonderful? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 19 Nov 2019, at 16:20, Royce Lee <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>=20 >> HI all, >>=20 >> Great seeing you Alex at the show! It was a shared experience. It = reminded me of old footage of the early Kraftwerk concerts. >>=20 >> The link between synthesis and politics has always been strong. We = all have our own reasons, and many of them have a political slant. I = always thought that act of re-purposing "obsolete" synthesizer = technology that characterized the first two decades of AH was by = definition political. In a way that I think was very meaningful. Today, = that layer of meaning is not as present, with the second golden age of = analogue we are living in, and it is now more purely about sound and the = instruments: which is fine and in fact spares us the many hours of = internet diving that the pursuit used to require. I do think by = focusing on synthesis itself and not forcing consensus, AH has mostly = allowed people to hang on to their motivations without getting scared = away.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 10:04 AM Scott Fox <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> = wrote: >> But you can recognize that making jokes about what you identify as is = pretty insulting to people with actually identity issues. Being = inclusive isn't about talking about people genders or identities, it's = about maintaining a space that isn't insulting. This thread alone has = seen multiple jokes about identity. Most people have a pretty thick skin = and can shrug it off pretty easily (people often have to in this world) = but I know for a fact that this casual behavior is specifically = non-exclusive.=20 >>=20 >> Anyhow, I'm tapping out to read up on the new Quantum update coming = out soon! >>=20 >> Scott=20 >>=20 >> On Tue., Nov. 19, 2019, 8:52 a.m. negativesaucer, = <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >> I'm going to briefly state my perspective on this and be done with = it: >>=20 >> When someone subs to /r/synthesizers they are there for what's = written >> on the tin. It's not about trans people or women, or men, or >> anything, it's about synthesizers. When I say I don't care about >> gender identities or sexual orientations, that is to mean you can be >> whatever you want and I'm not going to hassle you over it, because >> it's none of my business. The insinuation that trans etc people = can't >> feel a part of a community unless they poll the community for people >> that share their gender identity or sexuality seems a bit backwards = to >> me. >>=20 >> IMO, if it's not about synthesizers it doesn't have a place in a >> community dedicated to synthesizers. I apologize for even mentioning >> it as I've essentially introduced this same thing here. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 9:47 AM Lorne Hammond <xxxxxxxx@xxxx.xx> = wrote: >>>=20 >>> I agree with Justin but for example, the trans couple I worked with = on telling their story just want to be who they are now today. Its about = being comfortable and going forward. >>>=20 >>> Wendy Carlos just wants to talk music, not identity. Talking synth = hear, including bad puns and strong opinions has always been what has = given this list its longevity. >>>=20 >>> what's a list-serv grampa? >>>=20 >>> Lorne >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> From: Justin Maxwell <xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> >>> Sent: November-18-19 10:39 PM >>> To: Van Santos <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> >>> Cc: negativesaucer <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>; Collin Crowe = <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>; eon <xxx@xx.xx>; Analogue Heaven = <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Alex Sullivan <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; chris = <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xx> >>> Subject: Re: [AH] No traffic? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> and so are the people >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> as an ex-AH asshole (AHsshole?) the thing about being an asshole is = that you don't have to be. you can fucking just move along. whether or = not it's muffs or reddit or wherever, there are always a bunch of good = ol boys white males who think that the world is too sensitive for them = and their jokes and that other people are the problem. meanwhile there = are people just figuring themselves out in the world and trying to find = places to connect online >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> gender identity and sexuality is irrelevant to synth discussion = imo. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> except that it's not, gender identity and sexuality has been bound = to art for millennia, and we happen to be fans of machines designed to = create art, among other things. on the machine level, we talk about = tones in terms of passion, people use the word "sexy" to describe = industrial design. there's a lot of masculinity and femininity in the = music and the audience. and we'd be naive to pretend the music many of = us on here love didn't get its roots in gay communities. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> there are a lot of people figuring out themselves in the world right = now because society is providing a safe(r) space for it and the people = who make it harder for them online are the real assholes. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> i say this just to remind folks that there are a lot of lurkers on = AH and i want them to feel welcome too. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:37 PM Van Santos <xxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> = wrote: >>>=20 >>> I saw that recently when a woman asked about other women who = frequent the sub.... The comments were a nightmare. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:34 PM negativesaucer = <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>=20 >>> meanwhile the Reddit synthesizers sub is more interested in gender = identity politics than synthesizers >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 6:34 PM Collin Crowe = <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>=20 >>> It works! Keep it goin >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 4:42 AM eon <xxx@xx.xx> wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> That said - as a UK bod - in the 90=E2=80=99s I=E2=80=99d look = forward to browsing >>>> through a bunch of email from the US when I got up - nothing like >>>> reading a flame war over 101 mod grips with your morning coffee! = Good >>>> times! It=E2=80=99s a lot quieter now - but there have been some = good >>>> threads this year! >>>=20 >>> Nothing like old school, mannerly flame war, yes! >>>=20 >>> Speaking of which. "I know it's not abalogue, but..." I just got me = my >>> first hardware sampler in my life at the age of 40. It's the = original SP >>> 1200 with SD drive and I'm loving it, sampling the AKS. >>>=20 >>> Any hints? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Cheers >>> Maciek >=20