From kGB Sent Wed, Mar 3rd 1999, 10:39
From kGB Sent Wed, Mar 3rd 1999, 10:39
got a cd you would 8REALLY8 like:::]\ and yes i'm serious, all us indie shoegazey stuff, acceleradeck from alabama is on there, i ordered two cdr's of his schtuff, and shchlimeiltz is it fantastic. will tape it for you, or encode mp3's whicheve u/d rathher. hateher\ /toneE ---------- >From: xxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx >To: Tonee >Subject: idm-digest V2 #555 >Date: Tue, Mar 2, 1999, 3:42 PM > > ><<< This message is part 3 of a previous message >>> > >> No. In my mind I can't get over the owning music that way thing. My >> computer is great for running a business, but at the end of the day after >> having spent 10 hours on my computer, I want to go home put on a record >> and read a book. I don't want to listen to downloaded music while reading >> something on-line. > >i feel the same way, from a different standpoint. maybe i'm just weird, >but i look at the computer as not for art. production of, yes, but >transmission of, no. watching movies on your computer or listening to >music on your cd drive just seems...wrong. > > * > #### >a disturbance in a system. #### >laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# > it's not a case of doing what's right/it's just the way i feel > that matters/tell me i'm wrong/i don't really care > >icq: 5562209 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 99 13:49:16 -0400 >From: Jeff Waye/Ninja Tune <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: (idm) MP3/consumer fetish (long ) > >I did point out that I'm all for new technologies getting our music to >smaller places with no good record stores. I use Jackson as an example >because it's literally the only place in the U.S we've never soundscanned >a record (does anyone live in Jackson). I'm spoiled where I live with the >sheer amount of good record stores, plus frequent business trips to NY to >max out the credit card at Other Music. It's for the small places that >we're working on better on-line ordering, etc... I more ment that I think >it would be sad for a music fan in Manhatten to not go record shopping. I >quite hope small town kids get beat up in school by raging Korn fans for >wearing some 'pussy electronic label shirt'. > >Jeff > >>> Last point with Jeff, I think it's sad that people don't leave the house >>> to buy records anymore. >> >>well, to buy the music i like in stores, i have to travel an hour or so >>(usually). [extreme points follow] so is that to say that i should start >>buying top40 because at least i can go into a store and pick it up? should >>i stop buying your records, jeff and peter, because my local stores don't >>carry them? ;) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:52:04 -0800 (PST) >From: brian <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you > >> I agree, and figure DVD is a way more exciting format. Someone was >> telling me about a King Crimson DVD where you can replace the different >> players in King Crimson tracks, ie. if you really preferred Bill >> Bruford's drumming on '21st Century Schizoid Man' from a earlier concert >> vs. someone else's on another concert, but Levin's bass playing was just >> so sweet in that other version then you can put Bruford with Levin, >> etc... I havn't seen/heard it, but in theory it sounds wicked. I figure >> audio/visual artists over time will be able to come up with amazing stuff >> with this much room on a disc to work with. ....and well again, it >> satisfies my need to 'own'. > >i think that, with all new formats, dvd, in it's >infancy will be prohibitively expensive on the >production side of things to really work well >for smaller labels, etc. that being said, i doubt >we'll see any sort of dvd thing happening on any >grand scale for quite some time. in the meantime, >i'm happy to "own" my crates of vinyl and my stacks >of cds. as for mp3's, i think they are extremely >useful, but not as a replacement for the real thing. >they're definetely good for previewing things, >to see if you like them, and for emerging artists >to get their material to other people in a format >that lots of people can hear. i'm all for free >and artist-controlled distribution, and i think >that in the end, it will signal quite a positive >shift in the overall mentality of the music industry. >as it is now, you don't really need a record company >to get your stuff out there, and like jeff mentioned, >we can still pretty much rely on the established >companies, such as ninjatune, warp, asphodel, etc, >to be a bullshit filter so that we can spend our >money wisely, and experiment freely with new >music. > >so there. > >brian > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:27:41 EST >From: xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you > >> in the meantime, >> i'm happy to "own" my crates of vinyl and my stacks >> of cds. as for mp3's, i think they are extremely >> useful, but not as a replacement for the real thing. >> they're definetely good for previewing things, >> to see if you like them, > >How about if we sold mp3's on little thumb sized chips that you inserted into >a hardware mp3 player.. then that "replacement" factor would go away wouldn't >it. hehe >It's just people like the idea of having their music encapulated, it somehow >brings a satifaction to them, makes them feel like their getting something >special somehow.. I need to expand my vocab dammit. that's the thing with all >you intellectual elitests, you really pride yourselves on your goddamn >vocabularies.. as if vocab meant jack shit. My best friend was like that.. but >he wasn't really into music.. unless the situation called for him to be. That >prententious fake fuck. > >~allen > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:48:13 -0800 (PST) >From: eric hill <xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you > >>special somehow.. I need to expand my vocab dammit. that's the thing with all >>you intellectual elitests, you really pride yourselves on your goddamn >>vocabularies.. as if vocab meant jack shit. My best friend was like that.. but >>he wasn't really into music.. unless the situation called for him to be. That >>prententious fake fuck. > >oooookay... > >eric > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:17:23 -0800 (PST) >From: Che <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: (idm) budakhan mindphone > >At 01:36 PM 2/26/99 +0000, nils wrote: >>fwiw, that review is pretty darn accurate. >> >>after 'music is rotted' squarepusher said, and i quote, 'i don't reckon >i'll use a sequencer again.' so don't go looking for zippy breaks. > >The bastard! > >Che > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:18:14 -0800 (PST) >From: Che <xxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541 > >At 12:31 PM 2/26/99 -0800, solenoid wrote: > >>Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends into Stereolab, >>Krautrock, Kranky label, Windy & Carl, guitar-related "electronica" -- >>say "what" when you talk about Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Carl Craig, >>Detroit-anything, electro-funk, rap-anything-except-Beasties.... > >They're obviously LOSERS w/ a capital L. Ditch them NOW, your soul is in >peril. > >Rock n' roll is for OLD PEOPLE. > >;-) >Che > >PS Lots of reviews soon... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:22:42 +0100 >From: peter cozijn <xx@xxx.xx> >Subject: Re: (idm) budakhan mindphone > >At 12:17 2-03-99 -0800, you wrote: >>>fwiw, that review is pretty darn accurate. >>>after 'music is rotted' squarepusher said, and i quote, 'i don't reckon >>i'll use a sequencer again.' so don't go looking for zippy breaks. >>The bastard! > >well i really don't think so :) - i got the cd in the mail last saturday >and i've been playing over and over it since. there's 3 or 4 brilliant >tracks on it. fly street and varkatope are both in-between his 'old' d&b >and 'new' jazz styles, with some really nice combinations of sounds. the >first track is nice too, but hasn't got much to do with the rest of the lp. >plus you can hear the first efforts of tom's gamelan orchestra in two of >the tracks - what else could you possibly want? >by far the best sqp release in quite a while imo! > >np: andrew weatherall mix from warpnet - which is kinda nice indeed :) > > name [~] peter cozijn > e-mail [~] xx@xxx.xx > habitation [~] lisse, the netherlands > liusna [~] http://huizen.dds.nl/~pu/liusna > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:30:45 -0600 >From: Ernesto Ikerd <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you > >>you really pride yourselves on your goddamn >>vocabularies. > >wots a 'mp3' ??? > >is that that lil sports car like a Miata? > >hmmm. > > >Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 >Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 >Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems >Fort Worth, Texas > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:46:09 -0500 (EST) >From: Greg Clow <xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: (idm) mp3s & you > >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Jeff Waye/Ninja Tune wrote: > >> From a label perpective, the only pratical use of MP3's that I can see is >> with promotion. Offering a free advance track on a web site kinda thing. >> Or allowing journalist to get advance copies via MP3 rather than all >> those last minute courier fees we pay. But that said, dont think that all >> those journalist aren't going to want a finished 'real' copy also. > >Speaking as a part-time journo - I'll give you an Amen on this one, Jeff. > >Like Peter, I don't have an MP3 player on my computer at home or at work. >Aside from occassionally tuning in to some streaming audio (and that's >VERY occassionally), I don't use my computer to listen to music. That's >what my stereo is for. Not to mention that even with my 56k modem, >downloading files in the several meg range is still a pain in the ass. > >So if a label contacted me and said "We'd like you to do an advance review >of this new So-And-So album, you can get it on MP3 from our website", I'd >simply reply with "Nope, sorry, I don't do MP3s". If they want the review >bad enough, they'll have to send me a cassette (and even that is >inconvenient at times), burn me a CDR or send me a finished copy. > >And then there's the person who wrote to ask if I'd play thier stuff on my >radio show. I said I'd be happy to check it out if they send me something. >They wrote back and said I could just download the tracks from their >website, burn myself a CDR and play that. Like, what the FUCK?!? Something >tells me they're probably not getting a lot of airplay with that sort of >promo strategy. > >To paraphrase Mr. Albini - MP3s are just the rich geek's 8-track. > > >Greg > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:47:10 -0500 (EST) >From: Sam Frank <xxxxxx.xxxxx@xxxx.xxx> >Subject: Re: (idm) MP3/consumer fetish (long ) > >I agree with you completely. I'm just saying that the material format >(audiophile questions aside, which have been dealt with adequately. MP3 >sucks. Vinyl sucks. CD sucks. We know...) >shouldn't matter if what you're after is music. MP3 is no better than >vinyl, except that it opens the way to greater mass availability, once >everybody has a computer and a fast net connection, blah blah blah >utopianism blah blah blah >techno futurism.... It just might be an easier way to >get music. I think it's a little silly that listening options are limited. >Obviously, listen to VVM 7 inches if you like them. But the fact that >they're only released with bizarre packaging and people scramble to get >them before the supply runs out is indicative of how much we still >fetishize the packaging over the >actual music. It's remniscent of a certain kind of elitism that just >doesn't have to exist any more, because we have the means to get rid of >it. That's all I'm saying. Listen to what you want! > And regarding Benjamin... He's so damn cool because he wrote >around 1920. he's fucking old skool. > >Sam >> or buy vinyl. *If* this is your opinion, I don't think it's true. Many >> people, even on this list, >> support and buy vinyl and are *not* djs. Also, I don't think that merely >> avoiding MP3, that >> I am *resisting* MP3, I just don't need it. You have said, "to resist MP3s >> means that you >> should acknowledge how much you're fetishizing technology, not music." >> When I listen to >> music, I listen to *music*. A VVM 7" in all of it's material fetishist >> glory on colored vinyl >> and hand packaging does'nt mean *shit* if the music's bad. True? I don't >> care if it's on *8 track*, Sam. >> I have a brain enough to discard all pomo theory as to where I fit into the >> social scheme of music appreciation >> and make my own decisions. Even with the going to a classical music concert >> in a tux comment, I can make the choice of whether to listen to the record, >> the CD,the tape, a live concert, or even perhaps, an MP3? >> Maybe the music consumer who makes his/her own mind up is the *real* dying >> breed. > >------------------------------ > >End of idm-digest V2 #555 >************************* >