Re: (idm) 24bit 96kHz format

From public anemone
Sent Tue, Feb 16th 1999, 15:05

As for IDM? 16bit/44.1kHz is fine.
> 
> Aw jeez, this is totally bogus.  16-bit 44.1 kHz is the most bare-ass,
> hardly passing standard for digital audio.  Okay, maybe not totally because
> the 16-bit part is pretty good, but the 44.1 kHz part is atrocious.  

when audio engineers complain about 16/44.1 quality, it's generally the 16 bit
part that they're complaining about...i.e, audible quantization noise during
fadeouts and stuff, since there are only 2 to the 16th power steps of
amplitude instead of 2 to the 24th as with 24 bit audio...
and 16/44 is the de facto standard for digital audio and has been for
years...only in the next few years will we be seeing a change.

>It
> doesn't have to do with whether you call the music you're playing
> "classical," it has to do with whether it has treble in it, & most music I
> listen to, of all different sorts, does have treble.  Once you start
> getting into the highest audible frequencies, 44.1 kHz representations of
> them sound like shit, harsh & grating shit.  Once you get to 22.05 kHz,
> this is what any waveform is going to be from a 44.1 kHz audio recording:
> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

this may have been a valid argument for earlier cd players which had brick
wall filters that cut off all frequencies above 20k, but current cd/dat
players allow a good bit of the frequencies up to 22.05 khz to come through
(24 for dats)...this is well above audible frequency range, which in a normal
adult maxes out to about 15-18 khz.

> That's it.  Absolutely no detail at all.  It gets better the lower you go
> from there, but that's why it sounds so bad.

bad as compared to what? live classical music?
in any case, most idm music is created with samplers which can only do 16/44 anyway...