Re: (idm) the beach boys? THE BEACH BOYS?!

From Blipvert
Sent Sun, Jan 25th 1998, 21:28

chip wrote:

> >       i think there needs to be a list policy where
> >       anyone who likes the beach boys (admittedly
> >       or not) should be removed from the list, dragged
> >       from their homes and beaten in public. and then
> >       have their innards torn out by rabid dogs while
> >       the rest of us sit and have a good guffaw.

That's funny, I was just about to sit down to listen to the four CDboxed set
of Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys. Pet Sounds is
recognized by many to be a masterwork of not only pop music
but also the art of arrangement and production. It was an
experiment of sorts performed by Brian Wilson- songwriter for the
Beach Boys. It makes use of instruments and found sounds that are
not common to pop or rock music and layers them into a tapestry
of pop pastiche that is melodious, harmonious and pleasing to the ear.
Kind of like multi-track sampling or hard drive recordings but recorded in
1966 before there was the aid of such technology. The original album
is only about forty five minutes in length and is a mono mix down.
The four CD box contains the mono mix, a stereo mix and hours of
recordings from the studio session that document Brian Wilson's
painstaking effort and precision to use multi-layered voices to achieve
exactly the sound that he desired.

My point to all of this is that you should be open minded to the merit of
music outside of our usual discussion. Most people who program the music
you listen to would probably be glad to hear these recordings and not
only would they respect Brian Wilson's art but they would appreciate
the documentation of another producers technique. I am not a fan of
the Beach boys but that has nothing to do with my interest in Pet Sounds.
I listen to very little rock and roll but that does not mean that I don't
appreciate the historical merit of it or the cultural significance that it
In the case of pet sounds, I respect the work that was put into the record
and the eccentric methods that were used to achieve the music. I probably
would not listen to or ever have noticed it if it was just recorded with the

typical guitar, bass, drum, vocals arrangement of pop and rock music. But
I am happy to learn from whatever sources I can find. I would not have
considered it possible three years ago but I have learned from Pet Sounds
in it's original form and I am sure that the dissection of the recording of
album presented in this boxed set will be even more inspirational. That does

not mean that I will want to write songs that sound like the Beach Boys but
I will probably feel closer to the art of drum & bass and abstract down
production after hearing this documentation.

I know that your comment was supposed to be a simple joke. I took my
response to such a length because I believe that your joke was indicative
of an issue common to a lot of people on IDM. Some of you just don't know
or care to know music outside of IDM. There is a universe out there that is
worthwhile. I have mentioned Herbie Hancock, Miles Davis, old school hip hop

and electro, funk and even Miami Bass on this list several times to the
of blank stares. Where do you think the inspiration of "our" music comes
Where do you think the samples come from? I was DJing an IDM radio show
five years ago. I have been slowly chipping away at learning to produce
(yet different) music for about three years. I fully respect IDM and all of
siblings but I am also aware of where the music came from and I think that
are people on this list that could only benefit by getting in touch with the
if you will, of "our" music.