From 0 Sent Fri, Oct 17th 1997, 12:08
From 0 Sent Fri, Oct 17th 1997, 12:08
Arjun Mendiratta wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, -0 wrote: > > > > > a. Focus you attention on wicked beats (Ae are masters at this!) > > SAWII? beats on SAWII? very little, if any... not what I am talking about really. > > > b. make the beats distorted to get even more wicked (RDJ gets the > > credit b/x he was distorting beats back when Ae was using a dry > > 606/808 on Incunabula) actually distorto beats should be credited to > > the industrial artists from back in the day.... > > So what about the current electro rejuvenation? Everyone's using a dry 808 > these days. Great. Whats your point? All I was saying is that RDJ brought Distorto beats to IDM, that's it. Just tried to demonstrate that at the time RDJ (being ahead of his time always) was doing Distorto beats, Ae was using dry 808 sounds (which are wonderful) Your point just shows the tunes go back and forth between traditional dry 808 beats and other tunes get the fuzz box. Still the formula is the same. I guess PART B should have been listed as (optional). Good thing you brought it up. Same shit in the end, wicked beats most important seems like. More focus on beat then on melody we'd all tend to agree no? > > > > > c. add some small little melody/synth line on top (Ae does this > > plenty, esp on Chicli Suite/Chiastic Slide) RDJ has too many tracks to > > mention that do this. BOCHUM WELT is 100% guilty. > > Squarepusher often forgets about this completely. I'm guilty of not owning any SQPR (ok don't send me any letter bombs) > > > d. Loop it, let it run forever (Ae no doubt) > > True unfortunately. If it's a good loop, let it run forever I say. This is why I sometimes wish the Garbage ep would never end, it's beautiful in my ears! A loop ain't necessarily bad all the time, but it wouldn't be progress (issue at hand) > > > e. cut out loop A here, cut out loop B there, bring back loop a, etc. > > pretty obvious stuff. > > Only obvious after dub came along. Yes, part of the equation, but I just wanted to focus on RDJ's SAW#1 as the place where the formula all came together for what we call IDM. (a mad scientist he is:) > > > > I don't know how to make the wicked sounds that Ae and the like do, > > but all these minimal IDM artists do follow a standard formula. > read... MINIMAL IDM artists. Guess this formula only works with minimal IDM tracks. stupid me.... > except for The Black Dog, B12, Scala (not really minimal IDM I guess), > Mouse on Mars, Plug (the EP's at least), FSOL, Elfish Echo, Bisk, In no way would I say, BD Scala (I'd throw em in) FSOL, BISK, MOM are minimal, hell no! How could we ever say BD is minimal after releasing Music for Adverts? > > I don't mean to nitpick, By all means do so. Look already I have seen a few of my mistakes. but there's already enough people off the list > who think that techno is a bunch of computers making a whole crapload I am not one of them pal. Up until a few months ago and a few personal issues, I was one of them nerds with gear trying to write tracks. it ain't anything but art! Cut and paste? So what painters do it and sell their ugly shit that no one can recognize for 1000's of $$$. Why can't we computer nerds cut and paste samples/filter sweeps and make a little dough? Art for art's sake.... I am only trying to demonstrate that Ae has progressed tremendously. (someone said they hadn't progressed much since Incunabula) However, the formula they've been using (Tri Repetae thru Chichli Suite) is getting overdone for a group with so much potential. I have faith that their gonna blow our minds with the next release or two (hopefully soon) If I die tomorrow, however, I'm taking SAW#1 to the grave -0 np: Panacea (it sounds soooo GERMAN to me;)