From Brian Mulvey Sent Tue, Mar 27th 2018, 20:55
From Brian Mulvey Sent Tue, Mar 27th 2018, 20:55
But yeah, OP, look into the Quantum. Manual just became available. Pretty pr= icey but fits what you=E2=80=99re looking for.=20 > On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Brian Mulvey <xxxxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote: >=20 > Not with analog filters though. I can=E2=80=99t think of any keyboard samp= lers with them after the E III, until the Waldorf Quantum. Correct me if i=E2= =80=99m wrong! >=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Andrew Horton <xxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> wro= te: >>>=20 >>> You realize there was like 20 years of samplers after the mirage, right?= You can find a million fully featured insane sample synthesizers on reverb r= ight now! >>>=20 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>=20 >>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Brent Busby <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I've purchased an Ensoniq Mirage rack (not arrived yet), because I >>>> wanted to experiment with my own sampled waveforms and analog filters. >>>> Partially my choice of the Mirage was because of the amount of money I >>>> have to spend right now, not because it was necessarily the best choice= >>>> for this. >>>>=20 >>>> I am rather disappointed by its voice architecture though. It offers >>>> two oscillator (sample playback) per voice, but there is only enough >>>> independant control over the pitch of the second oscillator to allow fo= r >>>> chorus/detune type effects. There is one LFO, which can only send >>>> triangle waves, and can only modulate the pitch of both oscillators. >>>> (Basically it's hard wired to be a modulation wheel effect.) >>>> Thankfully, the filter does have its own EG separate from the output >>>> EG. It's 8-bit with playback rates as low as 8kHz, which should be >>>> charaterful, and the filters are CEM chips, but still, it's awfully >>>> hobbled and I would have liked more...like perhaps an SQ80 voice engine= >>>> where you supply your own waves. >>>>=20 >>>> It seems though that with sampler/synths you have to choose: You can >>>> have a nice voice architecture, but digital filters, or you can have >>>> analog filters and a very crude voice engine. The Korg DSS-1 is the >>>> only exception I've seen, and frankly I haven't been impressed by the >>>> actual sound of most of what I'm hearing in YouTube demos of it. (This= >>>> could very well just be the demos. I've found you have to really >>>> actually have a piece of gear for at least six months to really find ou= t >>>> anything, and I've never had a DSS-1.) But there definitely seems to b= e >>>> a real vacuum out there when it comes to samplers with deep voice >>>> engines and real analog filters. >>>>=20 >>>> I've heard about an alternative third-party OS for the Mirage called >>>> Sound Process that's supposed to hack in all sorts of things Ensoniq >>>> never thought of, including 4-oscillator/sample per voice (sounds >>>> promising), multitimbral/multitrack operation, etc...basically, some >>>> keen soul with a lot of machine language coding expertise on the Mirage= >>>> has hacked it silly and created a whole new environment for it. The OS= >>>> disk is about $90 from Syntaur, so I think I'll want to check that out.= >>>>=20 >>>> If DSI or some other manufacturer today wanted to fill a void in the >>>> market that's really never been fully addressed though, not even in the= >>>> previous analog era in the 80's, they should make something with a >>>> really good polyphonic voice engine with matrix type routing that has >>>> some good analog hardware filters, but have the oscillators be sample >>>> playback...preferably very low resolution sample playback, and you >>>> supply the samples. To me, the problem with PPG/SQ80 style wavetable >>>> has always been that they already chose the waves for me before I had a= >>>> chance to do anything. I want to have lots of EG's and LFO's, and have= >>>> analog filters, and supply my own waveforms...basically a Korg DSS-1 >>>> with great tone that can interface well with modern computers over USB.= >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> - Brent Busby + =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >>>> + With the rise of social networking >>>> -- Studio -- + sites, computers are making people >>>> -- Amadeus -- + easier to use every day. >>>> ----------------+ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >=20