Re: [AH] analog mixers with multi-channel digital outs

From Quincas
Sent Fri, Jan 23rd 2015, 22:27

I know there is a justifiable anti-behringer bias in this group, but they ha=
ve been making decent mixers ever since they bough Midas. This looks very go=
od to me:=20


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> On 23/01/2015, at 14:02, Brian Willoughby <> wrote:=

> I'm potentially biased, since Mackie is one of my current clients (hardwar=
e/firmware/software design), but I think they've improved since long before t=
he 1640i came out. Yes, things did tend to fall apart in the old days, but t=
hey always had good warranty service. Since then, they've gone from a public=
ly-held company to privately-held, and I've not heard of any quality control=
s issues for many, many years. I do see the company concerned with build qua=
lity and stringent testing on how things will last in the long term (they re=
cently tested the DL32R with a machine to simulate thousands of miles in a t=
ruck while screwed into a rack - they broke the rack, but not the mixer!).
> They also have a sense of humor about their attention to quality control=E2=
>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Em Wilson <> wrote:
>> I seem to recall Mackie going through some pretty serious QC issues - was=
 that just a bunch of message board chatter, or have they sorted that out?
>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Brian Willoughby <brianw@audiobanshee.c=
om> wrote:
>>> Yes, and you could use a Metric Halo Labs LIO-8 for each set of 8, and t=
hat has the DB25 input. But it would get expensive to buy three of them, and=
 you'd need a couple of FireWire busses to handle more than 16 channels, I t=
hink. The LIO-8 has 8 analog and 8 digital inputs, but the digital inputs ar=
e four AES3 pairs, so that would require a particular outboard converter for=
 expansion. All in all, I think it would get quite expensive to build a digi=
tal I/O mixer with the 24.4 and separate converters - the ADA8000 is cheap e=
nough, but not quite top in sound quality.
>>> Brian
>>>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 11:19 AM, laurie <> wrote:
>>>> if you have multi analog outs, you could use the ADA8000 for 8 channels=
  to and from Adat LightPipe ... RME make a wonderfull 52 channel HDSP I thi=
nk its called for PC ....  ins and outs  0 latency
>>>> ---- On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:14:51 -0600 A. Horton<horton.andrew@gmail.c=
om> wrote ----
>>>> Just to clarify - those don't have the firewire.
>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Brian Willoughby <brianw@audiobanshee=
.com> wrote:
>>>> I was just about to point to the Mackie Onyx 24.4 for $1,800 with FireW=
ire, Perkins "British-style" EQ, and 100mm faders. It has balanced mic/line o=
utputs for all channels on 3 TASCAM-style DB25 connectors, and that's separa=
te from the usual inserts on every channel.
>>>> You can buy fan outs for the DB25 cheaply, around $200 for a set. Of co=
urse, if your recording gear has DB25 inputs (mine done) then you're set!
>>>> Brian
>>>>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 9:54 AM, "A. Horton" <> wro=
>>>>> Zero complaints about my Mackie 1640i. I love the long/thin footprint,=
 too, instead of a wide-ass mixer. Sounds great and works like a charm. Have=
 never once had an issue making records on it for the past few years.
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Em Wilson <> w=
>>>>>> I'm researching a new desk and looking for options similar to the Ven=
ice f24. I've never owned a Midas, but I've had Soundcraft and Spirit desks f=
or 20 years now. The following are some guidelines
>>>>>> Under $5,000
>>>>>> 16-24 channels
>>>>>> Multiple, duplex channels in and out; again, 16-24
>>>>>> Parametric mids (hi + lo optional, but appreciated)
>>>>>> 100mm faders (I might be flexible here...maybe)
>>>>>> I'm hoping are European comrades are aware of some options we don't n=
ormally hear about here in the states. Bonus points if the console matches m=
y Costco desk chair!