Re: [AH] 888 :: was WTB: Roland TR-808

From andrew
Sent Wed, Jan 23rd 2008, 03:47

JoMoX put out a box with an 808-voiced snare? AND hats?

I have prayed for this day!

Somebody please make ABC comparisons of 999/888/808 ASAP!

Failing that, some snare, hat and kick showcasing high quality demos would
be great!

Re the 888 having no filter - I have an AirBase, and the filter section on
that is a big let-down, so I wouldnt miss it. It MIGHT be more useful on
the 999 with custom samples, but meh. I have other ways to create and
filter 8-bit samples.

> Alright, Shag... how did you manage to score one of those crunk
> thumpers?????
> Nova told me they haven't even received them yet! Do you have any idea
> when they'll be unleashed upon the masses?????
> :)
> -Jim
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Shagghie <>
> To: Tomislav Babic <>
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:33:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AH] WTB: Roland TR-808
> Hi Tomislav!  How's that 2ube pre pedal treating you these days?  What
>  tubes
> did you settle on?
> Great questions below, and understandable!
> I hesitate sending this link out, as I had JUST gotten back from NAMM,
>  it
> was 2am, and it's a camera mic.
> Oh, and there's the flying pig thing too, but... alas...
> We did a 4 hour jam last night with the 888, 2 revo's, and one 777.  It
>  was
> best jam ever, and that was the 888 out of the box.
> I'll post that audio clip, which was multitracked into Logic 8 and
>  sync'd
> with Logic as master clock. (don't ask) to megaupload or something in a
>  few
> days. I'll even let it go out unmixed, unmastered, zero compression,
>  etc...
> b/c you have to hear the 888 in person to appreciate the sound of it.
>  it's
> at 44.1/16...but I have to wait until tomorrow night back in studio to
> render it to .mp3 at 320kbs.  I won't be able to do the full 4 hours,
>  but we
> should get a decent chuck of pure 888 at that point with 100mb limit on
> filesize. Will that suffice?
> For some of your's my thoughts:  Were I in a position
>  to
> own both 888 and 999, I would own both for certain. But I'm not.
> They are two different boxes to be sure. Same construction, but way
> different vibe and sound at the end of the day. I am a hacker first,
> musician second..., as far as skillsets go. What I know about systems
>  is
> that complexity is harder to manage and exponentially increases chances
>  for
> bugs/failure, etc.  While the 999's filter section is mad-powerful, and
> sounds great.. it was a layer of complexity that I didn't end up using
>  in
> the studio, as I use other gear for my filter duties running off of
>  sends on
> a mixer. Or ITB stuff from logic 8.
> So I looked at risk/reward, bang/buck ratios and found myself leaning
> towards the concept of an 888. Plus, I'm smitten for 808's by
>  far
> my favorite drum machine of all ancient time.  In fact, I stumbled the
>  news
> of the 888 while googling for an 808 to buy...
> So, there have been bugs, just like any other boutique synth/drum
>  machine
> manfacture forum.  The Yahoo group, particularly for Jomox, IS the
> manufacture's forum for bug reporting, and there are several
>  personalities
> that routinely report bugs or feature requests or design decision
>  opinions,
> etc. on the forum. It is very active, and stuff gets done as time goes
>  on.
> In short, it's great.  The 999's OS, fwiw, at 1.3, is finally in a
>  state
> where I would feel good about performing live with the box without fear
>  of
> any show stopping bugs, etc. The sample uploads are smooth, easy and
>  rockin'
> with a killer little GUI ap that lets you easily manage the sound
>  banks.
> Very bauhaus.. to the point.
> I'm a big fan of both JoMoX and Elektron gear, so my input is
>  biased...but
> I'm only a fan after going through that long and winding road we much
>  each
> take as individuals and musicians.  I want what sounds best, and works.
>   The
> fact that we did a four hour acid jam, with rock solid timing the whole
> time, with mad beats and glitch free operation of the 888, well... it
> sounded best, and it worked.
> I've not done a side by side with an 808.  But it's almost irrelevant
>  to do
> so... he's not billing it as a clone, and it doesn't use 808 parts,
>  etc.
> But for the same reason that comparing a FR-777 to a 303 ends up always
> being a pointless discussion, so too would a comparison of the 808 and
>  888.
> Neither is purporting to be it's original. But both go far beyond their
> originals, while still doing superb jobs at 'preserving' some of what
>  is the
> 'essence' of the original. But each is it's own instrument, with it's
>  own
> sequencer, interface, and feel.
> I only digress, b/c I don't want this thread to turn into a 808 vs 888
> thread.  I DO however, want to encourage anyone with a limited budget
>  (all
> of us) to hear an 888 before deciding to buy an 808 (and vice versa, no
> doubt).  They are close enough to warrant this, and they are far apart
> enough to force you to choose a route based on YOUR music, your ears
>  and the
> degree to which either of them gives you a bone chromer.
> For my part... and that of our label, we've made the executive decision
>  to
> go with the 8's, and so we had to sell the 9's for now.  The 888 can
>  also do
> decent 909 kicks, with the right amount of noise dialed in.
> if you are a sucker for 808 kicks, and bouncing metal high hats that
>  dance
> around your head like pixie dust... then the 888 cannot be topped here
>  on
> earth... I'll say that with as much conviction as can be conveyed on a
> mailing list. And that's after just two nights with it.
> I'll post the jam in the next few days... if that doesn't display the
>  888
> properly, nothing would. :)
> On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Tomislav Babic <>
>  wrote:
>> so.. im confused now, Shag... i was reading your recent praise of 999
>  with
>> much
>> interest as it seems to get mixed reviews, due to bugs etc.. and
>  thought
>> 999 was
>> your be-all, end-all drum machine. your posts kinda renewed my
>  interest in
>> it..
>> and now.. your full of praise for 888..   which is 999 wihtout a
>  filter..
>> hmmm,,,,
>> could you clarify pls.. what they are good/best for, respectively..
>> and whats with them bugs reports .. that jomox yahoo group is full
>  of..
>> fwiw, i still havent heard a mp3 of 999/888 that thumps anyware near
>> 808/909..
>> u got some? or an URL of someone doing a decent representations..?
>> thanks
>> best regards
>> Tom
>> --
>> ---
>> Tomislav Babic
>> - studio, mp3, info
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