Re: [AH] analog mixers with multi-channel digital outs

From Dan Nigrin
Sent Sat, Jan 24th 2015, 02:20

I really like my Mackie 1640i, but I=B9ve recently been thinking more about
mixing in the box moving forward.

What are current good audio interface options for bringing all my analogue
(and digital) gear, via 1/4=B2 jacks, into the computer?  I would need 16
ins.  Preferably rack-mounted.  Definitely don=B9t need as many outputs, as
I don=B9t have too much outboard effects or processing gear.

Dan Nigrin / Defective Records /
CycliC, M185 & Klee Sequencers / MC-4 & MC-202 Hacks / Audio Plugin &
General MIDI Players

On 1/23/15, 3:02 PM, "Brian Willoughby" <> wrote:

>I'm potentially biased, since Mackie is one of my current clients
>(hardware/firmware/software design), but I think they've improved since
>long before the 1640i came out. Yes, things did tend to fall apart in the
>old days, but they always had good warranty service. Since then, they've
>gone from a publicly-held company to privately-held, and I've not heard
>of any quality controls issues for many, many years. I do see the company
>concerned with build quality and stringent testing on how things will
>last in the long term (they recently tested the DL32R with a machine to
>simulate thousands of miles in a truck while screwed into a rack - they
>broke the rack, but not the mixer!).
>They also have a sense of humor about their attention to quality control=8A
>On Jan 23, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Em Wilson <> wrote:
>> I seem to recall Mackie going through some pretty serious QC issues -
>>was that just a bunch of message board chatter, or have they sorted that
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Brian Willoughby
>><> wrote:
>>> Yes, and you could use a Metric Halo Labs LIO-8 for each set of 8, and
>>>that has the DB25 input. But it would get expensive to buy three of
>>>them, and you'd need a couple of FireWire busses to handle more than 16
>>>channels, I think. The LIO-8 has 8 analog and 8 digital inputs, but the
>>>digital inputs are four AES3 pairs, so that would require a particular
>>>outboard converter for expansion. All in all, I think it would get
>>>quite expensive to build a digital I/O mixer with the 24.4 and separate
>>>converters - the ADA8000 is cheap enough, but not quite top in sound
>>> Brian
>>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 11:19 AM, laurie <> wrote:
>>> > if you have multi analog outs, you could use the ADA8000 for 8
>>>channels  to and from Adat LightPipe ... RME make a wonderfull 52
>>>channel HDSP I think its called for PC ....  ins and outs  0 latency
>>> >
>>> > ---- On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:14:51 -0600 A.
>>>Horton<> wrote ----
>>> > Just to clarify - those don't have the firewire.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Brian Willoughby
>>><> wrote:
>>> > I was just about to point to the Mackie Onyx 24.4 for $1,800 with
>>>FireWire, Perkins "British-style" EQ, and 100mm faders. It has balanced
>>>mic/line outputs for all channels on 3 TASCAM-style DB25 connectors,
>>>and that's separate from the usual inserts on every channel.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > You can buy fan outs for the DB25 cheaply, around $200 for a set. Of
>>>course, if your recording gear has DB25 inputs (mine done) then you're
>>> >
>>> > Brian
>>> >
>>> > On Jan 23, 2015, at 9:54 AM, "A. Horton" <>
>>> > > Zero complaints about my Mackie 1640i. I love the long/thin
>>>footprint, too, instead of a wide-ass mixer. Sounds great and works
>>>like a charm. Have never once had an issue making records on it for the
>>>past few years.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Em Wilson
>>><> wrote:
>>> > >> I'm researching a new desk and looking for options similar to the
>>>Venice f24. I've never owned a Midas, but I've had Soundcraft and
>>>Spirit desks for 20 years now. The following are some guidelines
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Under $5,000
>>> > >> 16-24 channels
>>> > >> Multiple, duplex channels in and out; again, 16-24
>>> > >> Parametric mids (hi + lo optional, but appreciated)
>>> > >> 100mm faders (I might be flexible here...maybe)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I'm hoping are European comrades are aware of some options we
>>>don't normally hear about here in the states. Bonus points if the
>>>console matches my Costco desk chair!
>>> > >>