Re: [AH] analog mixers with multi-channel digital outs

From Brian Willoughby
Sent Sat, Jan 24th 2015, 10:42

In my opinion, the Metric Halo Labs "MIO" (MobileIO) interfaces are =
ideal, although they're not cheap.

They're also something that never needs to be retired. People are still =
using interfaces from 2001 with or without the various hardware =
upgrades. They have 18 to 20 channels on FireWire, so you can add =
expansion channels to the 8 on-board analog inputs. Popular expansion =
includes anything from the ADA8000 to the Focusrite OctoPre. You can put =
2 or 3 interfaces on one FireWire bus for higher channel counts. I have =
about 40 channels of input now to one computer, more if I use multiple =
FireWire busses.

The 2882 is the older design, and is more affordable - especially used. =
The LIO-8 is the new technology option that would be more appropriate =
for analog line level gear. You probably don't need the expense of the =
preamps in the ULN-8 unless you have microphones (what are those?). The =
thing about the LIO-8 (and ULN-8) is that the the inputs and outputs are =
DC-coupled (except the preamp inputs on the ULN-8), which should really =
help you capture the extreme low end of your analog synths (not to =
mention /hear/ the low end on playback).

Responding to Laurie's comment, the MIO allows mixing in the interface, =
so you can hear more than 2 channels without running Cubase or any other =
software. You can set up a separate mix for headphones versus other =
outputs, both analog and digital. You can save these setups so that =
they're up and running when you power on the interface without a =

You can also hook up a Mackie MCU Pro and mix live in the interface, =
although a computer is required for the MCU Pro MIDI link. Many people =
mix in their MIO rather than mixing in software on their computer. The =
MIO DSP uses a higher bit resolution than most DAW software, and some =
swear by the sound.

Brian Willoughby
Sound Consulting

On Jan 23, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Daniel Nigrin <> =
> I really like my Mackie 1640i, but I=B9ve recently been thinking more =
> mixing in the box moving forward.
> What are current good audio interface options for bringing all my =
> (and digital) gear, via 1/4=B2 jacks, into the computer?  I would need =
> ins.  Preferably rack-mounted.  Definitely don=B9t need as many =
outputs, as
> I don=B9t have too much outboard effects or processing gear.
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Brian Willoughby =
<> wrote:
>>> Yes, and you could use a Metric Halo Labs LIO-8 for each set of 8, =
>>> that has the DB25 input. But it would get expensive to buy three of
>>> them, and you'd need a couple of FireWire busses to handle more than =
>>> channels, I think. The LIO-8 has 8 analog and 8 digital inputs, but =
>>> digital inputs are four AES3 pairs, so that would require a =
>>> outboard converter for expansion. All in all, I think it would get
>>> quite expensive to build a digital I/O mixer with the 24.4 and =
>>> converters - the ADA8000 is cheap enough, but not quite top in sound
>>> quality.
>>> Brian
>>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 11:19 AM, laurie <> wrote:
>>>> if you have multi analog outs, you could use the ADA8000 for 8
>>> channels  to and from Adat LightPipe ... RME make a wonderfull 52
>>> channel HDSP I think its called for PC ....  ins and outs  0 latency
>>>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 9:54 AM, "A. Horton" <> =
>>>>> Zero complaints about my Mackie 1640i. I love the long/thin
>>> footprint, too, instead of a wide-ass mixer. Sounds great and works
>>> like a charm. Have never once had an issue making records on it for =
>>> past few years.
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Em Wilson =
<> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm researching a new desk and looking for options similar to the
>>> Venice f24. I've never owned a Midas, but I've had Soundcraft and
>>> Spirit desks for 20 years now. The following are some guidelines
>>>>>> Under $5,000
>>>>>> 16-24 channels
>>>>>> Multiple, duplex channels in and out; again, 16-24
>>>>>> Parametric mids (hi + lo optional, but appreciated)
>>>>>> 100mm faders (I might be flexible here...maybe)
>>>>>> I'm hoping are European comrades are aware of some options we
>>> don't normally hear about here in the states. Bonus points if the
>>> console matches my Costco desk chair!