Re: [AH] my next synth?

From Danjel van Tijn
Sent Sun, Oct 14th 2007, 22:10

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thanks for the suggestions

The Xpander has always looked cool but as soon as you bury functions in
menus and replace analog controls with encoders then the synth is no more
useful to me than a computer with midicontrollers.

The Moog Voyager has always seemed great but it is very expensive...maybe it
is worth the investment?

I have almost finished building a soundlab synth (just need to wire the
pots/switches) so this may be my new analog supplement. I agree that modular
synths may get frustrating if they are too compact (= too limited) or one is
sick of complex patching. Again, the sh-101 is so easy to recreate sounds
on.... I really love having sliders for controls.
Speaking of sliders, maybe a roland rackmount synth (MKS series) coupled
with a PG-800?  Can the PG-800 do realtime tweaks?

cheers,
    Danjel

On 10/14/07, bayne d'artagnan <redacted@example.com> wrote:
>
> I think a voyager would complement an SH101 much better than an MC202.
> I also think that you both lose and gain a lot from a modular. You get
> amazing flexibility and lousy patch recall. The voyager is fairly deep
> and has everything up front so you get a LOT of flexibility and you
> get great patch recall. The Nord modular gives you both but it's a VA
> synth.
>
> Another suggestion is the Xpander/M12. These can be used in a
> multitimbral way with individual voice outs so you can process the
> parts separately. The interface is better than you would think that it
> is for being menu driven and the depth is amazing.
>
> I suppose if you really want a compact modular there's always the
> Matson Mini Modular. It's in your price range and they don't get any
> more compact than that! A slightly less compact, but more evolved,
> option is of course Doepfer. I'd avoid the Paia kit as it has too many
> issues to be a good musical instrument.
>
> I honestly don't think that you get that much in very small modulars
> over what you get in something like a voyager. I like things up front,
> as you describe, and so I don't know that I'd go for a little phatty,
> although, it might not be much different in use than the M12?
>
>
>
>
> On 10/14/07, Danjel van Tijn <redacted@example.com> wrote:
> > Actually maybe it is time to invest in a nice compact modular system.
> Any
> > suggestions?
> >
> > On 10/14/07, Danjel van Tijn <redacted@example.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: Danjel van Tijn <redacted@example.com>
> > > Date: Oct 14, 2007 9:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AH] my next synth?
> > > To: valis <redacted@example.com>
> > >
> > > Hey Dave,
> > >
> > > Yeah I respect Hawtin's work but I am definitely not trying to emulate
> his
> > > sound (not even remotely). I dug around a bit and it seems like the
> MC-202
> > > does not have the same "balls" as a full sh-101, epecially in the
> subosc
> > > department. My favorite artists are people like riccardo villalobos,
> early
> > > stewart walker, sutekh, pantytec etc.
> > >
> > > If I sold the aforementioned gear I would probably have closer to
> $1500 to
> > > spend on a new instrument. Something like the machinedrum is appealing
> but I
> > > don't like the lack of dedicated controls (i.e. I want instant sounds
> and
> > > controls)  also I fear that with digital device they will devalue
> extremely
> > > quickly.
> > >
> > > When I say I make minimal techno, what i really mean is that I am into
> > > original sound design (few samples other than field recordings) and I
> like
> > > to uuse fewer sound sources but with more control over each sounds.
> The more
> > > I can make sounds morph and evolve, the better.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >      Danjel
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/14/07, valis < redacted@example.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Danjel,
> > > > Tough call as to what the best synth for you may be. I really like
> the
> > > > 202
> > > > and if you're doing the "Plastik" thing, it has a really nice
> acid/bass
> > > > on
> > > > it. They're a bit rare and may not be worth what some people charge.
> So,
> > > > I'd
> > > > shop around. You do already have a SH-101 so you may want to see if
> > > > there's
> > > > any other synths you can get for cheap that may have a distinct
> sound
> > > > that
> > > > you lack. I was using a good bit of older Roland gear and was happy
> when
> > > >
> > > > added a few non-Roland analogs. You may enjoy one of the cheaper
> synths
> > > > from
> > > > Seqeuntial Circuits. You can get a Max or Six-Track for pretty cheap
> > > > (especially a Max) and control all parameters on it via CC MIDI.
> Just a
> > > > thought. If you don't already, you may also be interested in a synth
> > > > that
> > > > has an audio-in through the VCF. Great for "minimal techno." Many
> older
> > > > synths have audio-ins and many that don't can be modded so they do
> (I
> > > > have a
> > > > 700s). Although, you may be fulfilling this need with the Nord
> Modular.
> > > > Anyway, I'm not sure if any of this is helpful but a few thoughts
> while
> > > > I
> > > > drink my morning coffee..
> > > >
> > > > Take care!
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Danjel van Tijn-2 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Like many here I have been building up my studio slowly but surely
> > > > over
> > > > > the
> > > > > years. I am often buying and trading used gear just to be able to
> try
> > > > a
> > > > > wide
> > > > > variety of devices without netting extra costs.
> > > > >
> > > > > The often discussed issue with analog stuff is that one is often
> > > > paying
> > > > > collectors prices and not it's value as an instrument.
> > > > > I have had an sh-101 for a few months now and I feel that it was
> worth
> > > >
> > > > > it's
> > > > > price as an instrument. Every control is intuitive and I feel like
> I
> > > > can
> > > > > get
> > > > > so much character out of it. So much so that I am thinking of
> selling
> > > > some
> > > > > of my other gear and getting a second one!
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone recommend getting an MC-202 instead? (I am limited with
> space)
> > > > > or maybe there is another tactile synth in the <$600 price range
> that
> > > > is a
> > > > > must have (e.g. worth it's price as an instrument)?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am predominantly making modern, minimalistic techno so equipment
> > > > that
> > > > > has
> > > > > potential for interesting sound design is always nice. (not
> looking
> > > > for
> > > > > classic sounds)
> > > > >
> > > > > My computer is powerful and I have tons of midi controllers. I
> only
> > > > want
> > > > > external hardware that has many playful hands on controls. As a
> result
> > > > I
> > > > > will be probably shuffling out the following gear in order to make
> > > > room
> > > > > for
> > > > > more tactile devices:
> > > > > Oberheim Matrix-6R - sounds great but it is too slow to edit for
> my
> > > > uses.
> > > > > Although you can assign a few realtime controls but none of them
> have
> > > > been
> > > > > to useful in my experience. Maybe a Korg Mono/Poly instead?
> > > > >
> > > > > Nord MicroModular - The vocoder is awesome but the lack of
> polyphony
> > > > > isn't.
> > > > > I also don't like editing with my computer and I would rather do
> this
> > > > type
> > > > > of stuff in max/msp.
> > > > >
> > > > > x0xb0x - I did tons of mods to this, but still it is hard to
> escape
> > > > making
> > > > > sounds that have already been heard on a million tracks. My
> favourite
> > > > use
> > > > > is
> > > > > for more trippy serene  sounds like plastikman has done but this
> is
> > > > over
> > > > > explored territory. I find the x0x is useful for other things like
> as
> > > > a
> > > > > sequencer, midi2cv converter etc. There may be more life to it if
> the
> > > > > BCMods
> > > > > come to fruition:
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOrCuSJBVN4
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > Danjel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Danjel van Tijn
> > > > > w. www.intellijel.com
> > > > > w. www.myspace.com/intellijel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/my-next-synth--tf4616433.html#a13200448
> > > >
> > > > Sent from the Analogue Heaven mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > cheers,
> > > Danjel
> > >
> > >
> > > Danjel van Tijn
> > > m. 604-773-2426
> > > w. www.intellijel.com
> > > w. www.myspace.com/intellijel
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > cheers,
> > > Danjel
> > >
> > >
> > > Danjel van Tijn
> > > m. 604-773-2426
> > > w. www.intellijel.com
> > > w. www.myspace.com/intellijel
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > cheers,
> > Danjel
> >
> >
> > Danjel van Tijn
> > m. 604-773-2426
> > w. www.intellijel.com
> > w. www.myspace.com/intellijel
> >
>



-- 
cheers,
Danjel


Danjel van Tijn
m. 604-773-2426
w. www.intellijel.com
w. www.myspace.com/intellijel

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