Re: [AH] Dark Energy as first synth?

From Mark Spano
Sent Fri, Apr 11th 2014, 15:18

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or any of these fine instruments:

http://www.critterandguitari.com/


On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:52 AM, A. Horton <redacted@example.com> wrote:

> A couple monotrons, srsly.
>
>
> On Friday, April 11, 2014, Pete Hartman <redacted@example.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the MFOS Soundlab Mini-Synth or Mini-Synth plus sounds like
>> just what the doctor ordered.  I made lots of fun sounds with it when
>> I was getting started, and it has an LFO which can be used for
>> triggering.  I realize the "DIY" aspect may be daunting, but there are
>> folks who could build it for him as well.  I built a case and
>> troubleshot one for someone else a couple years back for about $300.
>> PCB/parts costs wouldn't be too much more, so I'd imagine he could
>> have a built one for something on the order of $400 - $500.
>>
>> In fact, I have one I built into a cigar box that I'd be willing to
>> discuss selling to him, if he is OK with banana jacks....  I haven't
>> messed with it in ages, so I think it would be best to have a loving
>> home :).  Let me know if he's interested and I can send pictures and
>> sound clips.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:12 AM, skunk3 <redacted@example.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Minibrute with the keybed removed?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Seth Elgart <redacted@example.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A buddy of mine at work wants to get a Doepfer Dark Energy II to "make
>> >> noises." He has no other gear at all so this would be his first synth.
>> Also,
>> >> he says he doesn't want a keyboard, so that's a factor as well. I've
>> played
>> >> with them at AHNE for a moment or two and read the manual but it seems
>> to me
>> >> that there's really no way to trigger it without using something
>> external.
>> >> It sort of feels to me that the Dark Energy is more of an expander for
>> >> someone who already has tons of "normal" MIDI gear and wants to take
>> their
>> >> first steps into analog and/or modular rather than it being something
>> you
>> >> could start off with.
>> >>
>> >> So, is there some other small synth that a beginner can use to make
>> >> noises? I can't really think of one in that price range that doesn't
>> have a
>> >> keyboard. It's around US$600 or $700. You can get an MS-20 mini for
>> that,
>> >> but again he doesn't want a keyboard synth. If the Doepfer had a push
>> button
>> >> like the one on the MS-20 it'd be perfect. Is there a small Euro
>> starter
>> >> synth in that ballpark? I was thinking of recommending a Pittsburgh
>> Modular
>> >> Foundation 3, which would be great for him, except I didn't realize
>> it's
>> >> $2,000. If I were starting out in modular today I'd definitely
>> consider that
>> >> one, but it's a lot more than he's thinking of spending. He's also
>> >> considering going the Music From Outer Space route, which is powerful
>> and
>> >> not expensive, but that's a whole different road to go down.
>> >>
>> >> I could be totally wrong about the Dark Energy II but I just don't
>> think
>> >> it'll do it for someone who doesn't already have a keyboard as there
>> isn't
>> >> any way to trigger the envelopes internally or to make them loop, and I
>> >> can't quite come up with anything similar that'll do what he wants
>> without
>> >> costing three times as much.
>> >>
>> >> I think the bottom line is that he wants three things but I can only
>> give
>> >> him two at a time. No keyboard, interesting self-contained synth, under
>> >> $1,000. The problem is I'm not sure there's something that can do all
>> three.
>> >
>> >
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">or any of these fine instruments:<br><br><a href=3D"http:/=
/www.critterandguitari.com/">http://www.critterandguitari.com/</a><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr =
11, 2014 at 8:52 AM, A. Horton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hort=
redacted@example.com" target=3D"_blank">redacted@example.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A couple monotrons, srsly.=C2=A0<div class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><span></span><br><br>On Friday, April 11, 201=
4, Pete Hartman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:redacted@example.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">redacted@example.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think the MFOS Soundlab Mini-Synth or Mini-Synth plus sounds like<br>
just what the doctor ordered. =C2=A0I made lots of fun sounds with it when<=
br>
I was getting started, and it has an LFO which can be used for<br>
triggering. =C2=A0I realize the &quot;DIY&quot; aspect may be daunting, but=
 there are<br>
folks who could build it for him as well. =C2=A0I built a case and<br>
troubleshot one for someone else a couple years back for about $300.<br>
PCB/parts costs wouldn&#39;t be too much more, so I&#39;d imagine he could<=
br>
have a built one for something on the order of $400 - $500.<br>
<br>
In fact, I have one I built into a cigar box that I&#39;d be willing to<br>
discuss selling to him, if he is OK with banana jacks.... =C2=A0I haven&#39=
;t<br>
messed with it in ages, so I think it would be best to have a loving<br>
home :). =C2=A0Let me know if he&#39;s interested and I can send pictures a=
nd<br>
sound clips.<br>
<br>
Pete<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:12 AM, skunk3 &lt;<a>redacted@example.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Minibrute with the keybed removed?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Seth Elgart &lt;<a>boxoftexlists@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; A buddy of mine at work wants to get a Doepfer Dark Energy II to &=
quot;make<br>
&gt;&gt; noises.&quot; He has no other gear at all so this would be his fir=
st synth. Also,<br>
&gt;&gt; he says he doesn&#39;t want a keyboard, so that&#39;s a factor as =
well. I&#39;ve played<br>
&gt;&gt; with them at AHNE for a moment or two and read the manual but it s=
eems to me<br>
&gt;&gt; that there&#39;s really no way to trigger it without using somethi=
ng external.<br>
&gt;&gt; It sort of feels to me that the Dark Energy is more of an expander=
 for<br>
&gt;&gt; someone who already has tons of &quot;normal&quot; MIDI gear and w=
ants to take their<br>
&gt;&gt; first steps into analog and/or modular rather than it being someth=
ing you<br>
&gt;&gt; could start off with.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; So, is there some other small synth that a beginner can use to mak=
e<br>
&gt;&gt; noises? I can&#39;t really think of one in that price range that d=
oesn&#39;t have a<br>
&gt;&gt; keyboard. It&#39;s around US$600 or $700. You can get an MS-20 min=
i for that,<br>
&gt;&gt; but again he doesn&#39;t want a keyboard synth. If the Doepfer had=
 a push button<br>
&gt;&gt; like the one on the MS-20 it&#39;d be perfect. Is there a small Eu=
ro starter<br>
&gt;&gt; synth in that ballpark? I was thinking of recommending a Pittsburg=
h Modular<br>
&gt;&gt; Foundation 3, which would be great for him, except I didn&#39;t re=
alize it&#39;s<br>
&gt;&gt; $2,000. If I were starting out in modular today I&#39;d definitely=
 consider that<br>
&gt;&gt; one, but it&#39;s a lot more than he&#39;s thinking of spending. H=
e&#39;s also<br>
&gt;&gt; considering going the Music From Outer Space route, which is power=
ful and<br>
&gt;&gt; not expensive, but that&#39;s a whole different road to go down.<b=
r>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I could be totally wrong about the Dark Energy II but I just don&#=
39;t think<br>
&gt;&gt; it&#39;ll do it for someone who doesn&#39;t already have a keyboar=
d as there isn&#39;t<br>
&gt;&gt; any way to trigger the envelopes internally or to make them loop, =
and I<br>
&gt;&gt; can&#39;t quite come up with anything similar that&#39;ll do what =
he wants without<br>
&gt;&gt; costing three times as much.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I think the bottom line is that he wants three things but I can on=
ly give<br>
&gt;&gt; him two at a time. No keyboard, interesting self-contained synth, =
under<br>
&gt;&gt; $1,000. The problem is I&#39;m not sure there&#39;s something that=
 can do all three.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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