Re: [AH] 888 :: was WTB: Roland TR-808

From jure zitnik
Sent Wed, Jan 23rd 2008, 08:40

can't wait to hear that demo!

On Jan 23, 2008 6:18 AM, James Elliott <redacted@example.com> wrote:
> meh..... may as well wait for nova to get theirs in :(
>
> Hopefully it won't be too long......
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Shagghie <redacted@example.com>
> To: James Elliott <redacted@example.com>
> Cc: Tomislav Babic <redacted@example.com>; redacted@example.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:47:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AH] 888 :: was WTB: Roland TR-808
>
>
> Hi Jim!
> Roger from Big City Music hooked me and VJ up with Serial #'s 2 and 3.
>   He
> might have one or two left. SN#4 i know went on Monday...
> He should be getting more in soon.  HTH!
>
> I'm waiting impatiently for the T-resonators to arrive too!
>
> s
>
> On Jan 22, 2008 6:34 PM, James Elliott <redacted@example.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Alright, Shag... how did you manage to score one of those crunk
> > thumpers?????
> >
> > Nova told me they haven't even received them yet! Do you have any
>  idea
> > when they'll be unleashed upon the masses?????
> >
> > SPILL IT!
> >
> > :)
> >
> > -Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Shagghie <redacted@example.com>
> > To: Tomislav Babic <redacted@example.com>
> > Cc: redacted@example.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:33:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AH] WTB: Roland TR-808
> >
> >
> > Hi Tomislav!  How's that 2ube pre pedal treating you these days?
>   What
> >  tubes
> > did you settle on?
> >
> > Great questions below, and understandable!
> >
> > I hesitate sending this link out, as I had JUST gotten back from
>  NAMM,
> >  it
> > was 2am, and it's a camera mic.
> > Oh, and there's the flying pig thing too, but... alas...
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzeQoaWkVNw
> >
> > We did a 4 hour jam last night with the 888, 2 revo's, and one 777.
>   It
> >  was
> > best jam ever, and that was the 888 out of the box.
> > I'll post that audio clip, which was multitracked into Logic 8 and
> >  sync'd
> > with Logic as master clock. (don't ask) to megaupload or something in
>  a
> >  few
> > days. I'll even let it go out unmixed, unmastered, zero compression,
> >  etc...
> > b/c you have to hear the 888 in person to appreciate the sound of it.
> >  it's
> > at 44.1/16...but I have to wait until tomorrow night back in studio
>  to
> > render it to .mp3 at 320kbs.  I won't be able to do the full 4 hours,
> >  but we
> > should get a decent chuck of pure 888 at that point with 100mb limit
>  on
> > filesize. Will that suffice?
> >
> > For some of your questions...here's my thoughts:  Were I in a
>  position
> >  to
> > own both 888 and 999, I would own both for certain. But I'm not.
> > They are two different boxes to be sure. Same construction, but way
> > different vibe and sound at the end of the day. I am a hacker first,
> > musician second..., as far as skillsets go. What I know about systems
> >  is
> > that complexity is harder to manage and exponentially increases
>  chances
> >  for
> > bugs/failure, etc.  While the 999's filter section is mad-powerful,
>  and
> > sounds great.. it was a layer of complexity that I didn't end up
>  using
> >  in
> > the studio, as I use other gear for my filter duties running off of
> >  sends on
> > a mixer. Or ITB stuff from logic 8.
> > So I looked at risk/reward, bang/buck ratios and found myself leaning
> > towards the concept of an 888. Plus, I'm smitten for 808 sound..it's
>  by
> >  far
> > my favorite drum machine of all ancient time.  In fact, I stumbled
>  the
> >  news
> > of the 888 while googling for an 808 to buy...
> >
> > So, there have been bugs, just like any other boutique synth/drum
> >  machine
> > manfacture forum.  The Yahoo group, particularly for Jomox, IS the
> > manufacture's forum for bug reporting, and there are several
> >  personalities
> > that routinely report bugs or feature requests or design decision
> >  opinions,
> > etc. on the forum. It is very active, and stuff gets done as time
>  goes
> >  on.
> > In short, it's great.  The 999's OS, fwiw, at 1.3, is finally in a
> >  state
> > where I would feel good about performing live with the box without
>  fear
> >  of
> > any show stopping bugs, etc. The sample uploads are smooth, easy and
> >  rockin'
> > with a killer little GUI ap that lets you easily manage the sound
> >  banks.
> > Very bauhaus.. to the point.
> >
> > I'm a big fan of both JoMoX and Elektron gear, so my input is
> >  biased...but
> > I'm only a fan after going through that long and winding road we much
> >  each
> > take as individuals and musicians.  I want what sounds best, and
>  works.
> >  The
> > fact that we did a four hour acid jam, with rock solid timing the
>  whole
> > time, with mad beats and glitch free operation of the 888, well... it
> > sounded best, and it worked.
> >
> > I've not done a side by side with an 808.  But it's almost irrelevant
> >  to do
> > so... he's not billing it as a clone, and it doesn't use 808 parts,
> >  etc.
> > But for the same reason that comparing a FR-777 to a 303 ends up
>  always
> > being a pointless discussion, so too would a comparison of the 808
>  and
> >  888.
> > Neither is purporting to be it's original. But both go far beyond
>  their
> > originals, while still doing superb jobs at 'preserving' some of what
> >  is the
> > 'essence' of the original. But each is it's own instrument, with it's
> >  own
> > sequencer, interface, and feel.
> >
> > I only digress, b/c I don't want this thread to turn into a 808 vs
>  888
> > thread.  I DO however, want to encourage anyone with a limited budget
> >  (all
> > of us) to hear an 888 before deciding to buy an 808 (and vice versa,
>  no
> > doubt).  They are close enough to warrant this, and they are far
>  apart
> > enough to force you to choose a route based on YOUR music, your ears
> >  and the
> > degree to which either of them gives you a bone chromer.
> >
> > For my part... and that of our label, we've made the executive
>  decision
> >  to
> > go with the 8's, and so we had to sell the 9's for now.  The 888 can
> >  also do
> > decent 909 kicks, with the right amount of noise dialed in.
> >
> > if you are a sucker for 808 kicks, and bouncing metal high hats that
> >  dance
> > around your head like pixie dust... then the 888 cannot be topped
>  here
> >  on
> > earth... I'll say that with as much conviction as can be conveyed on
>  a
> > mailing list. And that's after just two nights with it.
> >
> > I'll post the jam in the next few days... if that doesn't display the
> >  888
> > properly, nothing would. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Tomislav Babic <redacted@example.com>
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > so.. im confused now, Shag... i was reading your recent praise of
>  999
> >  with
> > > much
> > > interest as it seems to get mixed reviews, due to bugs etc.. and
> >  thought
> > > 999 was
> > > your be-all, end-all drum machine. your posts kinda renewed my
> >  interest in
> > > it..
> > >
> > > and now.. your full of praise for 888..   which is 999 wihtout a
> >  filter..
> > > hmmm,,,,
> > >
> > > could you clarify pls.. what they are good/best for, respectively..
> > >
> > > and whats with them bugs reports .. that jomox yahoo group is full
> >  of..
> > >
> > >
> > > fwiw, i still havent heard a mp3 of 999/888 that thumps anyware
>  near
> > > 808/909..
> > > u got some? or an URL of someone doing a decent representations..?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > best regards
> > > Tom
> > > --
> > > ---
> > > Tomislav Babic
> > > www.babic.com - studio, mp3, info
> > > redacted@example.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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