Re: [AH] wanted: acid machine

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The thing with Din Sync is, it clocks off pulse waves, and it waits for the
next high part of the sync pulse after receiving a Start command.  This can
add a slight bit of lag. This is probably the "magic" that a lot of people
hear. Since the timing is very slightly off.  And a lot of it is "i paid a
ton of money for this machine, i gotta justify it somehow.".

-Larry



On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Kenny Balys <kenny@beatkamp.com> wrote:

>
> I guess the CPU is involved in the sync clock on the 303 so that makes it
> do wierd things -or rather- gives it character :) So its not technically an
> analogue sync which could simply be described as an oscillator.
>
> Slaving it off a really tight master sync clock should pull it all in.
>
> The sound of total synchronization is really nice to my ears. Like beat
> detective... without the daw, in realtime
>
>
>
> On 08-01-2015 7:46 PM, Nicholas Keller wrote:
>
>> I thought you were saying that the original machines had a unique
>> sloppiness to their clocks which is often not replicated successfully in
>> clones, and that upgrading to a QS CPU would eliminate this slop and that
>> the slop is actually preferable.  I can testify that the 707 I used to have
>> was terrible as a master clock.  Now I have a TB and a 606, sometimes run
>> by themselves and sometimes synced to a midi master with either a Doepfer
>> MSY-2 or MCV24 (and soon, a TR-9090).
>>
>> And I love a good curry.  I got spoiled living in the UK for a few years,
>> now I'm back in FL and it's hard to find a dish that satisfies me.
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>  On Jan 8, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Kenny Balys <kenny@beatkamp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> As soon as you are running things via midi, all bets are off for timing.
>>>
>>> The best Midi you will ever get will be from an MPC or something similar
>>> but its nowhere near analogue.
>>>
>>> Timing in the analogue domain is where everything can be rigidly
>>> synchronous. Triggers, pulses, clocks all together work well because they
>>> are just a precession or cascade of events happening at the slew rate of
>>> the component parts. ie) Nanoseconds
>>>
>>> If you are not using the internal sequencer on the 303 I don't imagine a
>>> difference as far as the timing goes. I don't have a quick silver'd machine
>>> so take that with a grain of salt.
>>>
>>> ps: saying nanoseconds always makes me want a stiff curry with some
>>> nanobread
>>>
>>>  On 08-01-2015 7:01 PM, Nicholas Keller wrote:
>>>> This sequencer stiffness you mention... If you ran the TB from a
>>>> MIDI->Sync converter, wouldn't you also lose some of the TB's
>>>> fl-acid-ity?  I was thinking about getting the Quicksilver upgrade at
>>>> some point, so I wonder what difference it will make if I rarely use the
>>>> TB with its own internal clock.
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The thing with Din Sync is, it clocks off pulse waves=
, and it waits for the next high part of the sync pulse after receiving a S=
tart command.=C2=A0 This can add a slight bit of lag. This is probably the =
&quot;magic&quot; that a lot of people hear. Since the timing is very sligh=
tly off.=C2=A0 And a lot of it is &quot;i paid a ton of money for this mach=
ine, i gotta justify it somehow.&quot;.<br><br></div>-Larry<br><div><br><br=
></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Kenny Balys <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:kenny@beatkamp.com" target=3D"_blank">kenny@beatkamp.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I guess the CPU is involved in the sync clock on the 303 so that makes it d=
o wierd things -or rather- gives it character :) So its not technically an =
analogue sync which could simply be described as an oscillator.<br>
<br>
Slaving it off a really tight master sync clock should pull it all in.<br>
<br>
The sound of total synchronization is really nice to my ears. Like beat det=
ective... without the daw, in realtime<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h=
5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 08-01-2015 7:46 PM, Nicholas Keller wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I thought you were saying that the original machines had a unique sloppines=
s to their clocks which is often not replicated successfully in clones, and=
 that upgrading to a QS CPU would eliminate this slop and that the slop is =
actually preferable.=C2=A0 I can testify that the 707 I used to have was te=
rrible as a master clock.=C2=A0 Now I have a TB and a 606, sometimes run by=
 themselves and sometimes synced to a midi master with either a Doepfer MSY=
-2 or MCV24 (and soon, a TR-9090).<br>
<br>
And I love a good curry.=C2=A0 I got spoiled living in the UK for a few yea=
rs, now I&#39;m back in FL and it&#39;s hard to find a dish that satisfies =
me.<br>
<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Jan 8, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Kenny Balys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kenny@beatkam=
p.com" target=3D"_blank">kenny@beatkamp.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
As soon as you are running things via midi, all bets are off for timing.<br=
>
<br>
The best Midi you will ever get will be from an MPC or something similar bu=
t its nowhere near analogue.<br>
<br>
Timing in the analogue domain is where everything can be rigidly synchronou=
s. Triggers, pulses, clocks all together work well because they are just a =
precession or cascade of events happening at the slew rate of the component=
 parts. ie) Nanoseconds<br>
<br>
If you are not using the internal sequencer on the 303 I don&#39;t imagine =
a difference as far as the timing goes. I don&#39;t have a quick silver&#39=
;d machine so take that with a grain of salt.<br>
<br>
ps: saying nanoseconds always makes me want a stiff curry with some nanobre=
ad<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 08-01-2015 7:01 PM, Nicholas Keller wrote:<br>
This sequencer stiffness you mention... If you ran the TB from a<br>
MIDI-&gt;Sync converter, wouldn&#39;t you also lose some of the TB&#39;s<br=
>
fl-acid-ity?=C2=A0 I was thinking about getting the Quicksilver upgrade at<=
br>
some point, so I wonder what difference it will make if I rarely use the<br=
>
TB with its own internal clock.<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
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