[AH] The essence of vintage gear - parts? - age? - design? - mythology?

From dj hohum
Sent Mon, Jun 4th 2007, 06:32

A model 12 just went for $7405 on ebay, wow! I can't see it. I believe
it's purely a collector mentality driving these sorts of prices. A
mentality I've never had much respect or appreciation for. To me, if
it's not helping me make music, better than something else, then I
don't need it.

Can a model 12 sound four times better (an approximation), or be four
times as useful as a MOTM system. Or six to seven times better than a
doepfer system. I was looking through some material serge sent me
around 2000, those prices seem like a downright bargain compared to
what the vintage gear is going for.

Further, I  was just reading about Elhardt's tif with Lighner over the
"mooginess" of the moog oscillator. I listened to his .wav file of
moog oscillator mixed with ugly digital oscillator and I couldn't tell
you where it switches or how many times it does so.

There are, of course, obvious differences in design such as ADSR vs
ASR, or AR envelopes as a trivial example. There are also clear user
interface issues that make some synths more "usable" simply because
it's easier to get the sounds out of it that you want. But, beyond
that, what makes a vintage component any better than a modern
component that has the same features.

So what does it take to replace certain vintage gear. I have some
system 100 gear that I'm thinking of letting go of. I've always liked
how the triangle wave sounds and don't think that the CEM 3340
triangle wave sounds as "pretty".  Is this perception real? If so,
there must be a technological cause for it. It seems to me that a
roland diode ladder filter module and a couple of roland design
oscillators are all I need to take the place of the system 100. Is
there anything special about the rest of the synth that is unique in
any way?

Now, about those moogs. Is there any point to building vintage moog
circuits? Is there any point to using vintage components? I recently
saw a web page, which I can't seem to find,  which showed someone's
recreation of the moog 904A. He claimed that this filter had that
certain "something".  What is that "something"?  It seems like it's
wishful thinking to me. If you can't quantify it or measure it, then
I'm not so sure that it exists.