Re: [AH] Korg DSM-1 16 analog voices and 16 outs wow!!!!

From David Bulog
Sent Mon, May 20th 2013, 21:42

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dss-1/
including a post from Tom about the upgrade
Hello group,

posted by Tom Virostek on January 3, 2013:
"I have had some requests for other upgrades, especially the DSM-1.
I=92m currently looking into doing an upgrade for the DSM-1, and =
hopefully
I=92ll have something to announce in the next few months."

Yes :-)



On 21/05/2013, at 7:35 AM, Filip Sneppe wrote:

> Hi David, where is this quoted from ? Thanks!
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> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:40 PM, David Bulog <d2ba@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> well the exciting news is an upgrade is being developed and new OS =
will be sure to fix the indiv outputs
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> quote
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> res pin is pin 4 you need to cut the tracks on both sides of pcb as =
some are connected both sides tide to ground giving there res pin ov no =
res
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> you then have to solder a 100ohm current limiting resistor
> =20
> and then you need to find a cv source max 7v the cv dac would be the =
best place for this i used the doepfer 5v midi to 16 5vcv
> =20
> then you will need a pot 10k linear you connect this to
> =20
> the cv source ground and the wiper to the 100ohm resistor you =
connected to ther res pin
> =20
> now you can change the res easily
> =20
> but because its a rack its best to use the doepfer unit as you can =
control it via midi
> =20
> you can also do a matrix12 pole mixing giving 15 types of filter
> =20
> this requires a new daughter board to be made that will sit in
> =20
> sockets like toms digi boards no pcb cutting will be required as it =
will be done on the daughter board
> =20
> but tom is working on new upgrades for the dsm1 to bring it to the =
same spec as the dss1-x
> =20
> and im designing the filter board as it would be best to get both done =
at the same time
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> On 21/05/2013, at 5:23 AM, Andrew Scheidler wrote:
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>> The Roland S-550 is a pretty good sampler for percussion (from =
analogue synths of course!).  There are 8 assignable outs and a LP / HP =
/ BP filter with res that sounds pretty good for digital.  Crunchy 12 =
bit sound :-)
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>> Drew
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>> On Monday, May 20, 2013, Nick Zampiello wrote:
>> i was wondering about this output assignment mapping as well.
>>=20
>> the Casio FZ samplers did the same thing.
>>=20
>> round robbin of the outputs rendering all that hardware useless =
except for the one time you need that trick.
>>=20
>> Kurzweil samplers had 6 outs ( i believe configured as 3 stereo pairs =
) that you could really assign the outputs of specific samples.
>>=20
>> 6 isn't 8 but it's not 2 either!
>>=20
>> after googling i found this:
>>=20
>> http://www.sweetwater.com/k2000/qanda.html
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>> OUTPUTS: The keyboard has 4 separate audio outputs plus the stereo =
master pair; the rack has 8 separate audio outputs plus the stereo =
master pair.
>> SAMPLE INPUTS: The rack has a pair of balanced XLR sample inputs.
>> SCSI BUSS: The rack has a second SCSI buss connector (acting as a =
SCSI through), allowing multiple K2000R's to share the same hard drive.
>> INTERNAL HARD DRIVE: The keyboard can house a 540Mb internal hard =
drive; the rack can house a 1 Gig.
>> DAC's: The rack contains two more stereo high quality DAC's (digital =
to audio converters) than the keyboard for the additional audio outputs.
>> STEREO OUTPUTS/AUDIO JACKS: The rack contains 4 more stereo audio =
jacks than the keyboard (to allow the outputs to double as inserts).
>> FAN KIT: The basic keyboard does not contain a fan kit; the rack (and =
the units with the sampling option already added) comes standard with =
the fan kit.
>> PRICE: The cost between the two differs by only $100.00 retail =
because the cost of the K2000's enclosure and keyboard are relatively =
inexpensive, and the rack contains the above features not included on =
the keyboard.
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>> From: Grant Headquarters <jggrant@melbpc.org.au>
>> To: analogue@hyperreal.org=20
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:46 AM
>> Subject: [AH] Korg DSM-1 16 analog voices and 16 outs wow!!!!
>>=20
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>> If you thought you could have, for example, kick on 1 output, snare =
on another, etc.,  you'll be sadly disappointed.   Unfortunately, =
there's no way to properly assign voices.  Individual voices cycle =
through the multiple outputs, making them, in effect, useless.   You can =
really only use it with the main (mono) output.  =20
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>> [Well, Korg hadn't had a lot of experience with samplers.   One of =
the things people said about the earlier DSS-1 was "it would be cool =
with multiple outputs".  So they did it ....!]
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>> jg::
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>> > Hi I have a few questions on
>>  Korg DSM-1 rackmount sampler ---16 analog voices and 16 outs
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style=3D"clear: none; "><p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hello group,<br><br>posted by =
Tom Virostek on January 3, 2013:<br>"I have had some requests for other =
upgrades, especially the DSM-1.<br>I=92m currently looking into doing an =
upgrade for the DSM-1, and hopefully<br>I=92ll have something to =
announce in the next few months."<br><br>Yes =
:-)<br></p></div></blockquote></div></td></tr></tbody></table></span><div>=
<br></div></div><div><br><div><div>On 21/05/2013, at 7:35 AM, Filip =
Sneppe wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi David, where is this quoted from ? =
Thanks!</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:40 PM, David Bulog <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d2ba@xtra.co.nz" =
target=3D"_blank">d2ba@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
..8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">well the exciting news is an upgrade is =
being developed and new OS will be sure to fix the indiv outputs<div>
<br></div><div>quote</div><div><br></div><div><table cellspacing=3D"0" =
cellpadding=3D"0" =
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<tbody><tr style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><td =
style=3D"vertical-align:top;font-family:Georgia;border-top-width:1px;borde=
r-right-width:0px!important;border-bottom-width:0px!important;border-left-=
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portant;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(123,158,189)">
<div =
style=3D"padding-top:0px;padding-right:4px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left=
:4px;margin-top:15px;margin-right:15px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:15px=
"><div style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">res pin is pin 4 you =
need to cut the tracks on both sides of pcb as some are connected both =
sides tide to ground giving there res pin ov no res</font></div>
<div style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">you then have to solder a =
100ohm current limiting resistor</font></div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">and then you need to find =
a cv source max 7v the cv dac would be the best place for this i used =
the doepfer 5v midi to 16 5vcv</font></div><div style=3D"clear:none"><font=
 face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">then you will need a pot =
10k linear you connect this to</font></div><div style=3D"clear:none"><font=
 face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"clear:none"><font =
face=3D"Arial">the cv source ground and the wiper to the 100ohm resistor =
you connected to ther res pin</font></div>
<div style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">now you can change the res =
easily</font></div><div style=3D"clear:none"><font =
face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"clear:none">
<font face=3D"Arial">but because its a rack its best to use the doepfer =
unit as you can control it via midi</font></div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">you can also do a matrix12 =
pole mixing giving 15 types of filter</font></div>
<div style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">this requires a new daughter =
board to be made that will sit in</font></div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">sockets like toms digi =
boards no pcb cutting will be required as it will be done on the =
daughter board</font></div><div style=3D"clear:none"><font =
face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"clear:none">
<font face=3D"Arial">but tom is working on new upgrades for the dsm1 to =
bring it to the same spec as the dss1-x</font></div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"clear:none"><font face=3D"Arial">and im designing the filter =
board as it would be best to get both done at the same time</font></div>
</div></td></tr></tbody></table><div><div =
class=3D"h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On =
21/05/2013, at 5:23 AM, Andrew Scheidler wrote:</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">The Roland S-550 is a pretty good sampler for percussion =
(from analogue synths of course!). &nbsp;There are 8 assignable outs and =
a LP / HP / BP filter with res that sounds pretty good for digital. =
&nbsp;Crunchy 12 bit sound :-)<div>

<br></div><div>Drew<span></span><br><br>On Monday, May 20, 2013, Nick =
Zampiello  wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">

<div =
style=3D"font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><span>i =
was wondering about this output assignment mapping as =
well.</span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">

<span><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span>the Casio =
FZ samplers did the same thing.</span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">

<span><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span>round =
robbin of the outputs rendering all that hardware useless except for the =
one time you need that trick.</span></div>

<div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><br></span></=
div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">

<span>Kurzweil samplers had 6 outs ( i believe configured as 3 stereo =
pairs ) that you could really assign the outputs of specific =
samples.</span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">

<span><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span>6 isn't 8 =
but it's not 2 either!</span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">

<span><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:13.333333969116211px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span>after =
googling i found this:</span></div><div =
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:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">

<span><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"background-color:transparent"><span><font><a =
href=3D"http://www.sweetwater.com/k2000/qanda.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.sweetwater.com/k2000/qanda.html</a></font><br=
></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:15.555556297302246px;background-color=
:transparent;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">

<span><font><br></font></span></div><div =
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style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-s=
ize:12px">

<tbody><tr valign=3D"top" style=3D"font-size:12px"><td =
width=3D"78%"><strong>OUTPUTS:</strong>&nbsp;The keyboard has 4 separate =
audio outputs plus the stereo master pair; the rack has 8 separate audio =
outputs plus the stereo master pair.</td>

</tr><tr valign=3D"top" style=3D"font-size:12px"><td><strong>SAMPLE =
INPUTS:</strong>&nbsp;The rack has a pair of balanced XLR sample =
inputs.</td></tr><tr valign=3D"top" =
style=3D"font-size:12px"><td><strong>SCSI BUSS:</strong>&nbsp;The rack =
has a
 second SCSI buss connector (acting as a SCSI through), allowing =
multiple K2000R's to share the same hard drive.</td></tr><tr =
valign=3D"top" style=3D"font-size:12px"><td><strong>INTERNAL HARD =
DRIVE:</strong>&nbsp;The keyboard can house a 540Mb internal hard drive; =
the rack can house a 1 Gig.</td>

</tr><tr valign=3D"top" =
style=3D"font-size:12px"><td><strong>DAC's:</strong>&nbsp;The rack =
contains two more stereo high quality DAC's (digital to audio =
converters) than the keyboard for the additional audio outputs.</td>
</tr>
<tr valign=3D"top" style=3D"font-size:12px"><td><strong>STEREO =
OUTPUTS/AUDIO JACKS:</strong>&nbsp;The rack contains 4 more stereo audio =
jacks than the keyboard (to allow the outputs to double as =
inserts).</td></tr><tr valign=3D"top" style=3D"font-size:12px">

<td><strong>FAN KIT:</strong>&nbsp;The basic keyboard does not contain a =
fan kit; the rack (and the units with the sampling option
 already added) comes standard with the fan kit.</td></tr><tr =
valign=3D"top" =
style=3D"font-size:12px"><td><strong>PRICE:</strong>&nbsp;The cost =
between the two differs by only $100.00 retail because the cost of the =
K2000's enclosure and keyboard are relatively inexpensive, and the rack =
contains the above features not included on the keyboard.<br>

<br></td></tr></tbody></table></span></div><div =
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16 analog voices and 16 outs wow!!!!<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div>
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  <div>
    <br>
    If you thought you could have, for example, kick on 1 output, snare
    on another, etc.,&nbsp; you'll be sadly disappointed.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Unfortunately,
    there's no way to properly assign voices.&nbsp; Individual voices =
cycle
    through the multiple outputs, making them, in effect, =
useless.&nbsp;&nbsp; You
    can really only use it with the main (mono) output.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
    <br>
    [Well, Korg hadn't had a lot of experience with =
samplers.&nbsp;&nbsp; One of
    the things people said about the earlier DSS-1 was "it would be cool
    with multiple outputs".&nbsp; So they did it ....!]<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    jg::<br>
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